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Old 11-15-2010   #1
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Default Defense id the problem and Offense is great, right?

In 9 games this season, the offense has scored double digit points in the first half in only three of them. In one of those, they only scored one TD. In other words, most of the time, the Texans offense scores 7 or fewer points in the first half.

How is that a good offense?
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Well, I have a feeling that might have something to do with the scripted plays to start the game off since we ALWAYS suck in the 1st half. It's been like this for years now
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Well, I have a feeling that might have something to do with the scripted plays to start the game off since we ALWAYS suck in the 1st half. It's been like this for years now
Surely you aren't suggesting that the coaching is the problem, right?
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Default Re: Defense id the problem and Offense is great, right?

I don't think anybody's excusing the offense. However, anyone who might think the offense is the reason we're losing is off their rocker. IMO, of course
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In 9 games this season, the offense has scored double digit points in the first half in only three of them. In one of those, they only scored one TD. In other words, most of the time, the Texans offense scores 7 or fewer points in the first half.

How is that a good offense?
I don't care when they score them, but 24.1 points per game should get you wins. That's not the problem. The problem is giving up 28.6 points per game making you the second worst in the league in that regard.
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I don't think anybody's excusing the offense. However, anyone who might think the offense is the reason we're losing is off their rocker. IMO, of course
I think they're a bigger problem than people are recognizing and are a direct contributor to losses. By scoring virtually nothing in the first half, they're stressing an already awful defense. You can't go into every second half behind by as much as they are and expect the defense to keep you in the game with as poor as the defense has been.

The defense actually did a decent job by their standards yesterday.
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I don't care when they score them, but 24.1 points per game should get you wins. That's not the problem. The problem is giving up 28.6 points per game making you the second worst in the league in that regard.
When they score them is important because playing from behind stresses an already awful defense. If you're going to have a porous defense, you better keep up on the offensive side, especially when most of your talent is on that side of the ball. Falling behind so much makes for tough sledding for any team, much less one with an atrocious defense.
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Default Re: Defense id the problem and Offense is great, right?

You could argue that playing from behind benefits our defense.

Teams with a lead will tend to run the ball more which hides our HIDEOUSLY bad pass defense.

We are only bad against the run.
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The defense actually did a decent job by their standards yesterday.
While I agree with this, it is so so so sad that almost 500 yds to the Jaguars is "they played better than expected"
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When they score them is important because playing from behind stresses an already awful defense. If you're going to have a porous defense, you better keep up on the offensive side, especially when most of your talent is on that side of the ball. Falling behind so much makes for tough sledding for any team, much less one with an atrocious defense.
That defense isn't stressed because of the offense. They're stressed because they can't stop a cold. One could argue that they stress the offense by continually putting them in bad spots, a) because they can't get off the field and b) when they do get a stop, the offense has start deep in their own end. When was the last time the defense at least somewhat consistently put the offense in good shape with a turnover or a 3 and out???

To blame the offense (not that they're even close to being perfect) is short sighted when you look at the fact that the defense gives up (on average) 400+ yards per game. That's a crappy defense no matter how you try to spin it off on the offense.
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Default Re: Defense id the problem and Offense is great, right?

The offense has been inconsistent , slow to make adjustments and .... Gary tries to get cute every once in a while and fix what aint broken.

They make good adjustments at the half .... or they just act like they care after they fall behind.
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That defense isn't stressed because of the offense. Their stressed because they can't stop a cold. One could argue that they stress the offense by continually putting them in bad spots, a) because they can't get off the field and b) when they do get a stop, the offense has start deep in their own end. When was the last time the defense at least somewhat consistently put the offense in good shape with a turnover or a 3 and out???

To blame the offense (not that they're even close to being perfect) is short sighted when you look at the fact that the defense gives up (on average) 400+ yards per game. That's a crappy defense no matter how you try to spin it off on the offense.
Agree 100%
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That defense isn't stressed because of the offense. Their stressed because they can't stop a cold. One could argue that they stress the offense by continually putting them in bad spots, a) because they can't get off the field and b) when they do get a stop, the offense has start deep in their own end. When was the last time the defense at least somewhat consistently put the offense in good shape with a turnover or a 3 and out???

To blame the offense (not that they're even close to being perfect) is short sighted when you look at the fact that the defense gives up (on average) 400+ yards per game. That's a crappy defense no matter how you try to spin it off on the offense.
I'm not arguing that the defense is anything but atrocious. I used that word, along with awful, above. As I have pointed out in other threads, this defense is on pace to be the worst defense in the history of the NFL. It's somewhat comical at this point.

But if you know all that, why would you put yourself behind on offense? If you score 3-7 points in the first half, knowing how bad the defense is, how can you have any reasonable expectation of winning? The only chance you have is to ask your defense for a couple stops while you try and catch up. And the defense did that a few times yesterday. And that's pretty unrealistic to ask for at this point.

Is it unrealistic to ask the offense to score double digits in the first half this year?
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Default Re: Defense id the problem and Offense is great, right?

Well if the defense is the Id ,that would make the offense the Ego because there is nothing Super about this team.
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I think the defense is a major problem and the offense has the talent to be very good. Putting that offensive rubber on the road is a problem; they leave too many skid marks.
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In 9 games this season, the offense has scored double digit points in the first half in only three of them. In one of those, they only scored one TD. In other words, most of the time, the Texans offense scores 7 or fewer points in the first half.

How is that a good offense?
A post that I made in another thread last night, that kind of fits here...

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Did anybody tell him that you're taught to run in short yardage situations.....especially when you have a back whose putting up a record season? Did anybody tell him that your taught if your guards are getting owned inside, it doesn't hurt to use the actual strength of your Oline (and a aspect of your line which is actually elite) and use your tackles (who just might be the best run blocking tackle tandem in the league), even if they BOTH (yes BOTH) struggle in pass protection.

This guy is a joke, Kubiak is a joke....His offense reminds me of what the Rockets look like. (I'll get to that later) I know this defense has been bad, but if you get down to the nuts and bolts of it. The offense hasn't been that much better. (and please don't post stats, I don't give a damn how great stats say their offense is.) The offense has been horrible this year. Oh they have talent, don't get me wrong, this team HAS talent on that side of the ball....and they put up numbers, but the numbers always feel empty.

The problem is, is that they're coached by a guy who doesn't know WTF he wants to do on that side of the ball and doesn't know what kind of identity he wants this team to take. Like the Rockets' offense, it seems like the "rotation" changes (if that metaphor" makes any sense). Are we a passing team or are we a running team?......I would really like to know, because until that question is answered we can't concentrate on being great at one and establishing a true "identity". We were better offensively when we didn't have a running game. This is why I'm completely off Kubiak's bandwagon and not only off of it, but I already hitchhiked 3 states over. The man can't seem to run a total offense with any consistentcy....and if things don't work out I can feel his panic and anxiety through my damn T.V. screen. You know what he looks like this season, a man who has no answers and a man whose caving in under the pressure. There won't be any late season heroics/rally this year.......this is the year that the house will fall in on Kubiak. Ala Capers 2005, just without a 2-14 record.

Atleast I still have faith in Adelman and know that he'll figure it out (I still have Houston in the playoffs). Rick Adelman>>> than anything Kubiak could pull off, very talented offensive mind, just simply not a head coach.


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I think the defense is a major problem and the offense has the talent to be very good. Putting that offensive rubber on the road is a problem; they leave too many skid marks.
Exactly. And following the "Mario has too much talent to be this bad" line of reasoning, then the offense's performance is inexcusable. On defense, I'd argue that we don't have the overall talent. On offense, they just aren't performing. Whether that's because of the scripted plays to begin the game, poor clock management, conservative approach, or just failure to execute is anyone's guess.
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The Defense is hideous and the Offense is inconsistent...thereby increasing the strain on an already depleted Defense.

Still....the talent-level on this team is better than the performance we're getting week in and week out. That spells coaching change.
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Been saying the same things for years

Defense: Worst DTs in football, no team comes close. Effects the LBs and secondary with zero run defense and pass rush respectively

Offense: There is no #2 WR. Walter is good at riding AJ's coat tails, but has been horrible this season. JJ is a joke and there is no depth behind him.
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Still....the talent-level on this team is better than the performance we're getting week in and week out. That spells coaching change.
Exactly. Yes. I've been saying the same thing for a while now. While we may not be super bowl contenders with the present crew, there is to much damn talent on this team to be where we are.
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