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wagonhed · 11-15-2010

yeah, I went there, I made a thread.

discuss why Jon Gruden is the best choice for the Texans in 2011!

HardKnockTexan · 11-15-2010

I think anybody would be better than Kubiak right now but my first choice wouldn't be Gruden. Our offense is pretty solid. We need someone who knows what to do on the defensive side of the ball. Cowher or Brian Billick are my top choices.

Jackie Chiles · 11-15-2010

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Originally Posted by HardKnockTexan

I think anybody would be better than Kubiak right now but my first choice wouldn't be Gruden. Our offense is pretty solid. We need someone who knows what to do on the defensive side of the ball. Cowher or Brian Billick are my top choices.

Billick is an offensive guy that inherited an all-time defense with the Ravens.

**Runner** · 11-15-2010

I'll vote for the Dayton Flyer.

HardKnockTexan · 11-15-2010

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Originally Posted by Jackie Chiles

Billick is an offensive guy that inherited an all-time defense with the Ravens.

True that. I didn't Inception Billick enough. So I guess I gotta go with Cowher or Dungy then.

**infantrycak** · 11-15-2010

The most seamless transition guy would be Dungy but I don't think he will do it. I don't like Gruden at all.

wagonhed · 11-15-2010

UGH. Dungy? No thanks. I couldn't stand to watch him on our sidelines. No way no how. Only HC I hate more than Cowher, and I could get used to Cowher.

Besides, what has Dungy done besides be the beneficiary of the best QB of all time and a top 3 franchise?

**Texan_Bill** · 11-15-2010

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Originally Posted by infantrycak

The most seamless transition guy would be Dungy but I don't think he will do it. I don't like Gruden at all.

Neither does Warren Sapp apparently, given his comments while they were discussing Chilly's situation in Minnesota.

**drewmar74** · 11-15-2010

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Originally Posted by Jackie Chiles

Billick is an offensive guy that inherited an all-time defense with the Ravens.

Yeah. And some of Billick's offenses in Baltimore were offensive.

Dilfer, Boller, Kordell Stewart? Eek. I'll pass.

And Chucky's last year or two in Tampa were kinda sketchy, too. Seems that I remember lots of QB changes, etc.

Now, if we could get Gruden and Monte Kiffin that would be fine but I know that aint' happening.

At this point, I don't care. Just make a change, Bob..... To quote BR5-49 "Sometimes I gotta do something, even if its wrong."

Make a change Bob.

HardKnockTexan · 11-15-2010

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Originally Posted by wagonhed

UGH. Dungy? No thanks. I couldn't stand to watch him on our sidelines. No way no how. Only HC I hate more than Cowher, and I could get used to Cowher.

Besides, what has Dungy done besides be the beneficiary of the best QB of all time and a top 3 franchise?

He built the Buccaneers team that Gruden won a super bowl with. After that, he was a big part of making the Colts who they are. I'm not a big Dungy fan but there's not arguing that the man knows how to build a team.

**Cjeremy635** · 11-15-2010

I don't want Gruden. I like his fire for the sport, but I don't think he's a great HC.

wagonhed · 11-15-2010

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Originally Posted by HardKnockTexan

He built the Buccaneers team that Gruden won a super bowl with. After that, he was a big part of making the Colts who they are. I'm not a big Dungy fan but there's not arguing that the man knows how to build a team.

Sounds like something we might be saying about Kubiak in a few years. Building a team doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot to Texans fans right now, considering our situation.

HardKnockTexan · 11-15-2010

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Originally Posted by wagonhed

Sounds like something we might be saying about Kubiak in a few years. Building a team doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot to Texans fans right now, considering our situation.

Kubiak and Smith have FAILED in making this franchise a winner. If Dungy can come in and put the right guys in the right places (from coordinators to players) then he's exactly what this team needs. He did get Manning which makes any team better but he also hired the guys that knew how to get the most out of Manning.

Hervoyel · 11-15-2010

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Originally Posted by wagonhed

yeah, I went there, I made a thread.

discuss why Jon Gruden is the best choice for the Texans in 2011!

I don't think he's a bad choice at all. He's a "missing ingredient" kind of coach much like they were saying on ESPN earlier Sunday about a Gruden to the Cowboys scenario. He can take a team with talent and add his energy and motivational ability and get them going pretty fast. He's maybe not so much the long-term builder if you want that kind of guy.

It's a hire I would not pan immediately. I'd consider it worth a try. If you look at us and believe that the problem is the coach and his staff then you're saying we have talent and we're being held back by the quality of our coaching. If you're right in that assumption then Gruden should make a positive difference right away.

TheCD · 11-15-2010

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Originally Posted by Hervoyel

I don't think he's a bad choice at all. He's a "missing ingredient" kind of coach much like they were saying on ESPN earlier Sunday about a Gruden to the Cowboys scenario. He can take a team with talent and add his energy and motivational ability and get them going pretty fast. He's maybe not so much the long-term builder if you want that kind of guy.

It's a hire I would not pan immediately. I'd consider it worth a try. If you look at us and believe that the problem is the coach and his staff then you're saying we have talent and we're being held back by the quality of our coaching. If you're right in that assumption then Gruden should make a positive difference right away.

I've never seen anything with Gruden that has impressed me. He inherited a franchise that was in good shape, and within a short time left it in shambles. For being an offensive genius, he never did anything of merit without Gannon and Rice/Brown as a head coach, much the same with Billick.

For what it's worth Dungy repeatedly keeps saying that he is not interested in returning to coaching, so I don't think he's even a possibility.

nero THE zero · 11-15-2010

Tangibles:
176-95
1 SB Championship
5 Division Championships

Intangibles:
Good offensive mind
Tough, no-nonsense coach
Young

mussop · 11-15-2010

No thanks! Gruden and his stupid chucky faces needs to go to the cowgirls.

wagonhed · 11-15-2010

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Originally Posted by nero THE zero

Tangibles:
176-95
1 SB Championship
5 Division Championships

Hard to argue with results like that.

**eriadoc** · 11-15-2010

Gruden is not my first choice. I'd be happier to see him here than what we currently have, but I have my reservations about Gruden. He built a great team in Oakland while working for a control freak owner. On the other hand, he collected QBs like trading cards in TB, which tells me he can't coach QBs worth a damn. On the other hand, the last couple years with the Bucs, he had very little developed talent and still went 8-8, which I thought was a pretty good coaching job.

So I'm torn on Gruden. Cowher is my first choice. I know one thing, and that is whoever succeeds Kubiak needs to come from a background of winning as a head coach. And he needs to have some attitude, IMO. I'm not saying that's a must for all situations, but I think this team, at this point, needs a boot in the ass more than most teams.

c10x · 11-15-2010

Rob Ryan.

Why you guys are clamoring for someone thats out of football I'll never know.

11-15-2010	#1
wagonhed Team Gruden Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Denton Age: 29 Posts: 2,455 Rep Power: 1891	Team Gruden yeah, I went there, I made a thread. discuss why Jon Gruden is the best choice for the Texans in 2011!

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HardKnockTexan All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 33 Posts: 576 Rep Power: 27	Re: Team Gruden I think anybody would be better than Kubiak right now but my first choice wouldn't be Gruden. Our offense is pretty solid. We need someone who knows what to do on the defensive side of the ball. Cowher or Brian Billick are my top choices. __________________ Let the football gods smile down on us.

11-15-2010	#4
Runner Hubcap Diamond Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,436 Rep Power: 6068	I'll vote for the Dayton Flyer. __________________ Amy glances out the window; her hair, skin, and clothes take on a pronounced reddish tinge from Doppler effect as she drops out of the conversation at relativistic velocity. - Cryptonomicon

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infantrycak Lead Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 45 Posts: 37,479 Rep Power: 76601	Re: Team Gruden The most seamless transition guy would be Dungy but I don't think he will do it. I don't like Gruden at all. __________________ The Art of War

11-15-2010	#7
wagonhed Team Gruden Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Denton Age: 29 Posts: 2,455 Rep Power: 1891	Re: Team Gruden UGH. Dungy? No thanks. I couldn't stand to watch him on our sidelines. No way no how. Only HC I hate more than Cowher, and I could get used to Cowher. Besides, what has Dungy done besides be the beneficiary of the best QB of all time and a top 3 franchise?

11-15-2010	#11
Cjeremy635 Overtraining Join Date: May 2005 Location: Huffman, Texas Age: 35 Posts: 7,649 Rep Power: 28643	Re: Team Gruden I don't want Gruden. I like his fire for the sport, but I don't think he's a great HC.

11-15-2010	#16
nero THE zero Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Spring Age: 29 Posts: 2,426 Rep Power: 5332	Re: Team Gruden Tangibles: 176-95 1 SB Championship 5 Division Championships Intangibles: Good offensive mind Tough, no-nonsense coach Young __________________ "You always hear about how tough they are and all that stuff," Orton said. "I don't think they are tough. I think they are cheap..."

11-15-2010	#17
mussop Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,320 Rep Power: 10291	Re: Team Gruden No thanks! Gruden and his stupid chucky faces needs to go to the cowgirls. __________________ "I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots." Albert Einstein

11-15-2010	#19
eriadoc Texan-American Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 15,373 Rep Power: 69629	Re: Team Gruden Gruden is not my first choice. I'd be happier to see him here than what we currently have, but I have my reservations about Gruden. He built a great team in Oakland while working for a control freak owner. On the other hand, he collected QBs like trading cards in TB, which tells me he can't coach QBs worth a damn. On the other hand, the last couple years with the Bucs, he had very little developed talent and still went 8-8, which I thought was a pretty good coaching job. So I'm torn on Gruden. Cowher is my first choice. I know one thing, and that is whoever succeeds Kubiak needs to come from a background of winning as a head coach. And he needs to have some attitude, IMO. I'm not saying that's a must for all situations, but I think this team, at this point, needs a boot in the ass more than most teams. __________________ “The Conservative’s first concern will always be: Are we maximizing freedom?” - Barry Goldwater

11-15-2010	#20
c10x Veteran Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 157 Rep Power: 359	Re: Team Gruden Rob Ryan. Why you guys are clamoring for someone thats out of football I'll never know.

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