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Old 05-12-2014   #1
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Question Can Clowney and Watt AS OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS Work???

If clowney is good enough for the outside, surely Watt is athletic enough to do it as well.

How feasible would that be?
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Default Re: Can Clowney and Watt AS OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS Work???

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I think it's plausible that Watt could play outside, but I have no idea why you would take a guy who dominates inside and move him out. Football is played from the inside out.
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No reason to move JJ. He's dominant coming from the middle even with a double team. Put Clowney right next to him and they won't be stopped.
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Watt is a bad Mo Fo, but I really don't want a 290 lb guy covering modern TE's.
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If clowney is good enough for the outside, surely Watt is athletic enough to do it as well.

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Not to many 6'5" 295lb OLB's in the league.
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Why would anybody want to stand Watt up?
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Not to many 6'5" 295lb OLB's in the league.
but it has been done. Nothing wrong with discussing scenarios.

"What is that thing called again? Forward pass? Never seen that before, probably never work."
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Watt just isn't the athlete that Clowney is, who should have little problem in playing standing up at OLB though he's gonna be in a 3-point stance much of the time.
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but it has been done. Nothing wrong with discussing scenarios.

"What is that thing called again? Forward pass? Never seen that before, probably never work."
You don't move a player who's arguably the best player at his position to another position. That has nothing to do with "attempting a forward pass".

For argument sake, let's say Crennel loses his mind and even attempts this.. That would leave a gaping hole at the spot Watt just vacated.
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You don't move a player who's arguably the best player at his position to another position. That has nothing to do with "attempting a forward pass".

For argument sake, let's say Crennel loses his mind and even attempts this.. That would leave a gaping hole at the spot Watt just vacated.
In the same stance: I don't believe you draft a player #1 overall and make him change positions either. I think this team is best suited going with a 4-3 defense.
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Why would anybody want to stand Watt up?
Well heres the deal, He's the best there is, plain and simple I mean he wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence and nobody can hang with his stuff.


No but really....Devils advocate...... Because he's such an athletic play making machine he's going produce no matter where you put him. When teams start going to those bubble and quick screens he would have more of a chance to make a play. Thats all I got right now.
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In the same stance: I don't believe you draft a player #1 overall and make him change positions either. I think this team is best suited going with a 4-3 defense.
Agreed.
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In the same stance: I don't believe you draft a player #1 overall and make him change positions either. I think this team is best suited going with a 4-3 defense.
While I agree with you that we are better suited going with a 4-3 front.. if you were going to move a player.. Clowney is the player that stands a much better chance at standing up. J.J. Watt.. no so much. J.J. Watt was born to have his hand in the dirt.
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Well heres the deal, He's the best there is, plain and simple I mean he wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence and nobody can hang with his stuff.


No but really....Devils advocate...... Because he's such an athletic play making machine he's going produce no matter where you put him. When teams start going to those bubble and quick screens he would have more of a chance to make a play. Thats all I got right now.
He's got a much better chance to make a play keeping him where he's at. All of those tackles for a loss and batted down balls at the line would come less often in you moved him. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here.
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Not to many 6'5" 295lb OLB's in the league.
see the problem with that is that the nfl has changed drastically due to the greatness of modern athletes.

the physical profile of positions have changed.

We have safeties now that are as big as linebackers from 20-30 years ago. We have LBs now that are as big as dlinemen were 20-30 years from now.

Who would have thought Usain Bolt at 6'5 would become the greatest sprinter of all time? Before bolt most great sprinters were cornerback height around 5-10-5'11.


athletic evolution is happening right before our eyes.


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Why would anybody want to stand Watt up?
well for one, his double team help would be running backs and tight ends as oppose to offensive guards and tackles which would make it easier for him to beat the double team.

football is so opposed to change. it has such a club status quo mentality.
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You don't move a player who's arguably the best player at his position to another position. That has nothing to do with "attempting a forward pass".

For argument sake, let's say Crennel loses his mind and even attempts this.. That would leave a gaping hole at the spot Watt just vacated.
I agree but it can be talked about.
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if jason taylor can play outside linebacker so can jj watt.
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If clowney is good enough for the outside, surely Watt is athletic enough to do it as well.

How feasible would that be?
Romeo Crennel's version of the 3-4 is in its own way just as idiosyncratic as Wade Phillips' BUT a little truer to the classic 3-4.

What Crennel wants to do is have 1 guy who can play as a classic 4-3 DE on one side who can penetrate and crash OR play a two gap, a classic 0-tech space-eater two gapper over the center, and then a more classic two gapping 5-tech DE. Watt is perfect for the 4-3DE spot, Nix for the 0-tech. The question mark is if Crick or Pagan can handle that 5-tech. I think they can although they might need to platoon that spot.

Then if I understand it right, RAC wants one rush OLB which would be Clowney and then one more standard SAM OLB which normally would be Reed but is looking uncomfortably like it might be Mercilus. I'm not sure Mercilus can handle that position.

But that's just the base package. When we go to nickel and dime, things will get creative and having a guy like Watt who can play up and down the line, Clowney and Mercilus who can play standing up (hopefully) or with their hands down, gives RAC amazing flexibility.

As part of that creativity, RAC might stand JJ up occasionally but I don't expect it to be a constant because he is so well suited for what RAC wants to do.

I can't wait to see how it works out.
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see the problem with that is that the nfl has changed drastically due to the greatness of modern athletes.

the physical profile of positions have changed.

We have safeties now that are as big as linebackers from 20-30 years ago. We have LBs now that are as big as dlinemen were 20-30 years from now.

Who would have thought Usain Bolt at 6'5 would become the greatest sprinter of all time? Before bolt most great sprinters were cornerback height around 5-10-5'11.


athletic evolution is happening right before our eyes.




well for one, his double team help would be running backs and tight ends as oppose to offensive guards and tackles which would make it easier for him to beat the double team.

football is so opposed to change. it has such a club status quo mentality.
Well then who would be the one forcing the double teams of the offensive guards and tackles.. and then being the one still creating huge plays despite being doubled teamed by offensive guards and tackles thus freeing up everyone else to make plays?

If you move J.J. Watt, you create another huge hole on defense. So it doesn't have anything to do with evolution or being opposed to change. Watt's position is very important and his play on the front line and the attention he draws down there is key for our defense and the players that play behind him. You stick him right next to Nix and enjoy the havoc they create.
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