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Old 09-08-2014   #1
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HOUSTON – KHOU 11 Sports reported on Sunday that Texans rookie Jadeveon Clowney tore his meniscus during the season opener against the Redskins.

How he did it is the topic of conversation on Monday.

NFL Network reporter Albert Breer reported on Twitter that Clowney told teammate DJ Swearinger he had stepped in a hole in the NRG Turf.
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Wes Welker got injured there.
Brett Hartmann did too.

Will it take a JJ Watt/Andre Johnson injury for the stadium folk to change to natural grass?

Football is tough enough to play, least they can do is give the players a solid ground to play on.
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NRG stadium is not just a football stadium... besides, how do you propose to raise natural grass in a dome?
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The stadium doesn't let enough light in for a permanent field which is why they have the trays of grass.

Most of the players don't want fieldturf.

Reliant/NRG has repeatedly graded well in polls of NFL players.
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Don't forget our former punter Brett Hartmann who sued because of the turn and claimed it ended his career.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/86...t-stadium-turf

DRRRRR, totally didn't see him mentioned in the OP, my bad. Still don't think the field caused Clowney's injury, dude jumped up and down and hurt himself. Quite a bit injury prone.

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Raze the dome, put in a full field there and roll it in ala Arizona
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The turf did not cause Clowney's injury.
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Raze the dome, put in a full field there and roll it in ala Arizona
you must have forgotten Ike and all the pissing and moaning that went on because the roof couldn't close.
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The turf did not cause Clowney's injury.
You are right, the hole that the turf surrounded did.
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I would think that they would just need to make a small portion of one end zone removable, and they'd be able to slide one giant tray in and out similar to the Arizona stadium. Surely much easier said than done.
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The turf did not cause Clowney's injury.

And you know this how?

The turf had a rep before this injury. Has any other player been injured by the turf IYO?

Hartsmann filed suit, so obviously he feels differently and he (You know has played on the turf.)
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I would think that they would just need to make a small portion of one end zone removable, and they'd be able to slide one giant tray in and out similar to the Arizona stadium. Surely much easier said than done.
How do you propose to do that? What's going to hold up the stands above? What would you do with the foundation already in place for the supporting structures that hold up that whole end zone stand?

The NRG/Reliant is stuck with either the tray system for natural grass or some version of field turf. Like icak mentioned, the Texans field grades well in NFL player surveys.

I've only heard 2 players that have played on the field voice their opinion on it. ND Kalu said he preferred it to any artificial surface a couple of years ago, and a few weeks ago I heard Seth Payne mention on the radio that he didn't like that surface and preferred the field turf.
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I would think that they would just need to make a small portion of one end zone removable, and they'd be able to slide one giant tray in and out similar to the Arizona stadium. Surely much easier said than done.
Redesigned containers/connectors makes more sense. I'm sure there is a way to do it right without a massive facelift of a fairly new facility.
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The stadium doesn't let enough light in for a permanent field which is why they have the trays of grass.

Most of the players don't want fieldturf.

Reliant/NRG has repeatedly graded well in polls of NFL players.


http://instagram.com/p/sQaMDFvtM1/

i wouldn't want my foot getting caught between these gaps when running.
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I heard that they went with that field because of the rodeo.

On the radio they said that the field isn't horrible, but it's not great either. Said it's not what you'd expect for an nfl stadium. Quite a few holes and patches in it.
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i wouldn't want my foot getting caught between these gaps when running.
Exactly. It's not the grass itself that's the problem, it is the seams between the pallets.

fwiw, my oldest son played several games in Reliant before they went to artificial turf for non-Texans games (he played at SFA and their rivalry with Sam - Battle of Piney Woods - has been at the stadium for several years now).

His personal experience is that the grass itself is nice, but there are definitely some seams that the players would warn each other about and try to avoid.

I don't know how anyone can look at that picture and say it is NEVER a problem. That's just not being realistic about it.
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I don't think the truf cause Clowneys' injury. I just looked to me like he came down funny. I hope they don't go to field turf because I like the smell of earth in that stadium.
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I don't think the truf cause Clowneys' injury. I just looked to me like he came down funny. I hope they don't go to field turf because I like the smell of earth in that stadium.
He did come down funny........in a hole.....in the ground......where the green grass grows..... all around all around......where the green grass grows..... all around.
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Exactly. It's not the grass itself that's the problem, it is the seams between the pallets.

fwiw, my oldest son played several games in Reliant before they went to artificial turf for non-Texans games (he played at SFA and their rivalry with Sam - Battle of Piney Woods - has been at the stadium for several years now).

His personal experience is that the grass itself is nice, but there are definitely some seams that the players would warn each other about and try to avoid.

I don't know how anyone can look at that picture and say it is NEVER a problem. That's just not being realistic about it.
Yeah, some of those pictures look ridiculous. I wonder how this system works... Do these pallets sit outside in the parking lot in the same configuration as inside or do they just put random pallets together because they're "interchangeable"? My instinct tells me that having them outside in the same configuration as they would be inside might minimize the issue.

Other than that, this might be a flawed system that needs to be redesigned.
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The problems is NOT the pallets fitting too loosely apart. I was given several tours of the stadium when it was being built and when the pallets were first introduced. The first thing I noticed is that the dirt/grass was entirely exposed in its perimeter with a very thin type of mesh.



Looking at the pallets from the sides essentially showed the sod in cross section like looking into an ant farm with some of the roots being exposed. The roots in these perimeter areas (the seam areas) were by definition weaker than those located further towards the center of the pallet. When regular sod is first laid down side-by-side in your yard, it is very weak at the seams and you are encouraged to avoid running on it because it will separate, evert or settle/collapse/depress at the seams. But over time, the dirt and grass roots will tightly merge as one at all of the seams. With the NRG pallet system, this merging is not given the time to form these tight bondings. This process is further weakened by questionable sunlight delivery. And whatever bonding may have occurred with time, it is completely disrupted when the pallets are moved out into the parking lot or replaced.

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