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Old 11-07-2010   #81
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Mario was terrible today. He only got the one sack, he had missed the block letting Schaub get sacked and he dropped the ball at the end of the game.

He is the reason why we continue to lose. Maybe somebody will give us a 7th round pick?



Get real guys - He'll be going to the Pro Bowl again this year and is probably the AFC's best DE. Rivers and his WRs of the street have pilled up yards and points against everybody this season - did you really expect any different with our DB's?
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He isn't even top 20.
btw, please list 20 who are better.
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btw, please list 20 who are better.
Jared Allen
Dwight Freeney
Justin Tuck
Richard Seymour
Julius Peppers
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Trent Cole
Robert Mathis
Justin Smith
Will Smith
DeMarcus Ware
Aaron Smith
Brian Orakpo
Elvis Dumervil (when healthy, obviously)
John Abraham
Aaron Kampman
Shaun Ellis
Ray Edwards
Andre Carter
Antwan Odom (again, when healthy)

I'll admit there's some argument that he could be argued to be better than 3-5 of the above, so maybe I should've said "not top 15").

Still, he's not elite. Elite players make big plays in big games, they don't disappear during "must win" games and then reappear to pad stats after the stakes have lowered to moral victory levels (first non-losing season! haven't had a non-losing season in two years! 9-7, OMG, BEST RECORD IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!).
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Oh and Mario was in on a sack but since he didn't get 5 on the day, he is overrated....

Learn what the DE position is about then come talk to me....
He's overrated. Again, I'm not saying he sucks. I'm not saying he isn't good. He is, but he's not the world beating DE that some of you try to represent him as. You're right that he would possibly be more effective on a team that had better DT's but that's a played out excuse for him since he's been here. The fact is that we don't have great DT's and that's not going to change any time soon. Great players find ways to step up and do "major" things even under tougher circumstances. Mario is not a guy that does that. He's the same guy that pro scouts said he was when they described him as a total world beater when he wants to be that takes plays off at times and doesn't always go 100%. When he does and when he's enraged, he's very dangerous, but we just don't see that side of him all of the time. He's 100% exactly what the pro scouts described him as when we drafted him.
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Under that facepalm are you pondering that great sack he had of VY on MNF? Of that great run stop he made to propel the Texans into the playoffs? How about the unbelievable tenacity to break through against Manning this past monday?

Heck, even Antonio Smith outperformed him today, even with that early stat-padding sack Mario picked up.
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Jared Allen
Dwight Freeney
Justin Tuck
Richard Seymour
Julius Peppers
Osi Umenyiora
Trent Cole
Robert Mathis
Justin Smith
Will Smith
DeMarcus Ware
Aaron Smith
Brian Orakpo
Elvis Dumervil (when healthy, obviously)
John Abraham
Aaron Kampman
Shaun Ellis
Ray Edwards
Andre Carter
Antwan Odom (again, when healthy)

I'll admit there's some argument that he could be argued to be better than 3-5 of the above, so maybe I should've said "not top 15").

Still, he's not elite. Elite players make big plays in big games, they don't disappear during "must win" games and then reappear to pad stats after the stakes have lowered to moral victory levels (first non-losing season! haven't had a non-losing season in two years! 9-7, OMG, BEST RECORD IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!).
Really? Really??? Just started following football recently did you?
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C'mon guys Mario had a great game. Didn't you see his POSE in the first series. He is a stud. 1/2 sacks in four games
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Jared Allen - Had a good today - otherwise one sack on the season. Plays alongside a great line. It's debateable
Dwight Freeney - Offers no run support and play opposite another great DE. Has benefit of O putting points up forcing other teams to pass 40+ times a game. Obviously Freeney body of work is outstanding however I'll take Mario today.
Justin Tuck - Given the talent around him explain why Mario has put up better numbers?
Richard Seymour - Hard to compare since they have been asked to do different things there entire career - Seymour obviously has had a great career but is probably past his prime right now.
Julius Peppers - Debateable but I'll take Mario. Has disappeared for full seasons at a time. Is more verstatile though. Wish Mario could learn to break passes up like Peppers. Has only two sacks on the season.
Osi Umenyiora - Given the talent around him explain why Mario has put up better numbers?
Trent Cole - LOL - worthless in run support
Robert Mathis - see Trent Cole
Justin Smith - Solid player but lets get serious.
Will Smith - See J Smith
DeMarcus Ware - Hard to compare a 3-4 OLB with a 4-3 DE but otherwise I will give it to you.
Aaron Smith - Ugh he is sackless on the season and has been beaten down by injuries. I know he is asked to do different things but do you honestly think he is better than Mario?
Brian Orakpo - Good player - again hard to compare guys that are asked to do different things - Not exactly a game changer though.
Elvis Dumervil (when healthy, obviously) - See Trent Cole
John Abraham - Past his prime right now but still steady. Not seeing where you could actually think he is better than Mario right now. Hope Mario can be as consistenct for his career though.
Aaron Kampman - See Abraham
Shaun Ellis - Good player who hasn't had a ten sack season since 2004. Why I am even bothering here?
Ray Edwards - Again had a good game today against Arizona but otherwise has done nothing this year.
Andre Carter - Past his prime right now.
Antwan Odom (again, when healthy) - Not worth even commenting

I'll admit there's some argument that he could be argued to be better than 3-5 of the above, so maybe I should've said "not top 15").

Still, he's not elite. Elite players make big plays in big games, they don't disappear during "must win" games and then reappear to pad stats after the stakes have lowered to moral victory levels (first non-losing season! haven't had a non-losing season in two years! 9-7, OMG, BEST RECORD IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!).



Ask for padding his stats. Care to mention where any of 6 sacks this year were not big? And we rarely if ever hold the lead in the 4th quarter where Mario can pin his ears back and get any padded sacks stats. Has Mario benefited from broken plays and help from the opposite side - sure but so has every other play on that list. Mario also caused a lot a broken plays that arent recorded on the stat book.

BTW, he did draw a double team a lot today.

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Anyone seen Mario, last I saw Mario was heading 15 yards behind Michael Vick by a backup Right Tackle, and sometimes by a TE..


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I am firmly off the Mario Williams bandwagon for one reason and only one reason... he's going to be expensive to retain. He simply isn't consistent enough to warrant us spending over 100 million. The Texans pass rush is atrocious. It all starts and ends with Captain Mario Williams.

Draft position here we come...
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I am firmly off the Mario Williams bandwagon for one reason and only one reason... he's going to be expensive to retain. He simply isn't consistent enough to warrant us spending over 100 million. The Texans pass rush is atrocious. It all starts and ends with Captain Mario Williams.

Draft position here we come...
The pass rush is bad.
It's our best pass rushers fault.
Therefore, we should get rid of our best pass rusher.


This is your logic? I'm glad you're not the GM.
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It's our best pass rushers fault.
Therefore, we should get rid of our best pass rusher.


This is your logic? I'm glad you're not the GM.
Well, I'm not the GM. I thought this was a board where we put out our random thoughts. What's with the jib? Incapable of being nice to people? Please don't maliciously summarize my posts so you can get your jollies off. This isn't the NSZ. Ok thanx. C'mon now wagonhed. I'm not trying to nor act like a GM.
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Mario's most dominant season won't come until his contract year. He's been good, sometimes better than average and occasionally plays like a dominant DE. But overall he's only good. Even though I hate the guy I wish he played like Jared Allen. He's the Texans version of Yao Ming minus the health issues. I expect much more than what he does.
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but Mario is just poorly coached. If we had a halfway decent DC that could motivate him and maybe even teach him a thing or two, he would be an elite player.
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but Mario is just poorly coached. If we had a halfway decent DC that could motivate him and maybe even teach him a thing or two, he would be an elite player.
I can buy that he's poorly coached but we're talking about a lot of money. Won't Arian be an UFA by then? Will the Texans fix the coaching issues in time to save Mario? I don't know about that right now. Clock's a-ticking and the dollars are burning.
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But overall he's only good. Even though I hate the guy I wish he played like Jared Allen. I expect much more than what he does.
that last sentence could be applied to Jared Allen as well

I don't know how Jared Allen is an example of consistency - he has a tendency to disappear in some games entirely while blowing up in others.

Personally, I'd rather Mario over Allen. Allen benefits from a much stronger line than Williams has in Houston - put JA in a Texans uniform alongside the Texans' DL, and I don't think the guy merits a mention as a strong or elite DE.
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I can buy that he's poorly coached but we're talking about a lot of money. Won't Arian be an UFA by then? Will the Texans fix the coaching issues in time to save Mario? I don't know about that right now. Clock's a-ticking and the dollars are burning.
He may be poorly coached, but the guy has ability and doesn't seem to use it. I'd say as expensive as it might be I'd rather franchise him for a year or two instead of being handcuffed by a long contract.
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He may be poorly coached, but the guy has ability and doesn't seem to use it. I'd say as expensive as it might be I'd rather franchise him for a year or two instead of being handcuffed by a long contract.
Totally agreed. I'm thinking the new CBA or labor agreement will strengthen the player's position this time around... but hell yes... you tag Mario Williams if necessary.

I am only referring to a long-term contract.
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During the pregame when they did that little piece on him, I was like huh...

He is good, I will give him credit, but to say he is a caged beast.. please. I told my wife great players do great things every game, not every once in a while. Hoping my talk would be served back to me, I was right.. Mario is good, he is not elite, he is not dominant, and well it is time to stop making Mario out to be this dominate player.. Dominate players show up every game.
I'm beginning to wonder if it's the coaching he's getting.
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