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Old 11-05-2010   #61
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blah blah mario is the best blah blah it's not mario's fault blah blah..
Players step up, players make plays, everyone else just makes excuses. Be a player make plays, not excuses. (Example: Freeney destroying our offensive line)

That's what Mario needs to do along with the rest of our defense.
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Mario has just as many sacks as Dwight Freeney this season, and since he came into the league in 06 he has more sacks than Freeney.

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I think Mario has put up good stats considering he plays with the worst DTs in football and has never be paired with a great pass rusher on the other side. Mark Anderson is a beast of a pure pass rusher and should help Mario a lot more as he get's playing time.

At the end of the day, outside Antonio Smith and Mark Anderson, Mario's supporting cast is a bust (Amboi), a fatass (Okam), a never was (Cody), and a rookie.
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Mario has just as many sacks as Dwight Freeney this season, and since he came into the league in 06 he has more sacks than Freeney.

Just sayin...
You are missing the point of the thread. It is not just about numbers or we'd all be chortling at having a 4-3 record. It is about how the team is playing and in this specific thread, how Mario Williams is playing. Many of us think we are not getting the best out of this player. For example Schaub is having a pretty good year statistically but not what we want based upon what he did last year. Freeney could be having a down year also, but he did great against Texans. If Mario had 2 sacks against the Colts and performed well the entire game, this thread would not be here.
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You are missing the point of the thread. It is not just about numbers or we'd all be chortling at having a 4-3 record. It is about how the team is playing and in this specific thread, how Mario Williams is playing. Many of us think we are not getting the best out of this player. For example Schaub is having a pretty good year statistically but not what we want based upon what he did last year. Freeney could be having a down year also, but he did great against Texans. If Mario had 2 sacks against the Colts and performed well the entire game, this thread would not be here.
My point was that the expectations set on Mario by the fanbase seem unfair to me. There are so many things wrong with this team other than Mario, yet he seems to draw the ire of the fans more than anyone else.

Everybody is pointing to Freeney as some time of legendary figure who averages 5 sacks a game and Mario could never live up to his legacy. When the fact is that Mario has been just as good and arguably better than Freeney. In the 4 games before the Colts played the Texans Freeney got 4 tackles and 0 sacks, yet I doubt if the Colts fanbase was calling him lazy and overhyped.

But we have this thread at least once a season so I can't say I'm surprised.
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My point was that the expectations set on Mario by the fanbase seem unfair to me. There are so many things wrong with this team other than Mario, yet he seems to draw the ire of the fans more than anyone else.
Everybody is pointing to Freeney as some time of legendary figure who averages 5 sacks a game and Mario could never live up to his legacy. When the fact is that Mario has been just as good and arguably better than Freeney. In the 4 games before the Colts played the Texans Freeney got 4 tackles and 0 sacks, yet I doubt if the Colts fanbase was calling him lazy and overhyped.

But we have this thread at least once a season so I can't say I'm surprised.
Have you read any of the other threads at all? I, alone have talked about JJ, Andre Johnson, Cushing, Schaub, Kareem Jackson, Pollard, E.Wilson and Eric Winston. You are accusing others of only speaking negatively about MW yet you seem to have on Mario colored glasses. Most expect more out of the #1 pick in the draft earning beaucoup millions of dollars over other players. I think you statement about Colts fans is probably inaccurate or would be if I were a Colts fan. Superstars are supposed to get 'er done.
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Have you read any of the other threads at all? I, alone have talked about JJ, Andre Johnson, Cushing, Schaub, Kareem Jackson, Pollard, E.Wilson and Eric Winston. You are accusing others of only speaking negatively about MW yet you seem to have on Mario colored glasses. Most expect more out of the #1 pick in the draft earning beaucoup millions of dollars over other players. I think you statement about Colts fans is probably inaccurate or would be if I were a Colts fan. Superstars are supposed to get 'er done.
No, I said "he draws the ire of the fans more than anyone else", never said people only speak negatively about Mario.

What more do you honestly expect from the # 1 pick? He's an elite run stuffer and averages 10 sacks a season, all while having virtually no help on the D-line and a secondary that's consistently at the bottom of the league. It seems to me as though anything short of Reggie White type production is going to be considered insufficient to our fans.

Looking back on the draft, I would still take Mario first and the only players I would even think about taking above him would be Ngata and Dbrick. I would say that he has lived up to his draft position just fine so far. But that's just my opinion.
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Texans scheme has not been the best fit for Mario & his teammates have yet to step-up next level so he can flourish. Football is such a team game, DL takes a collective group effort, no other elite pass rusher or dominant inside tackle allows teams to gameplan Mario & minimize his impact
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Mario is overrated.
Be careful. I dared to say this a few weeks back and got slaughtered by a few folks for it. Don't you dare criticize Mario. He was the #1 pick in the draft and he's our stud. He just plays around other poor lineman and that's the problem. It's not on Mario.
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Be careful. I dared to say this a few weeks back and got slaughtered by a few folks for it. Don't you dare criticize Mario. He was the #1 pick in the draft and he's our stud. He just plays around other poor lineman and that's the problem. It's not on Mario.
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Sorry, but I do get a funny chuckle at the blind supporters of Mario Williams on this site at this point. The excuses that pour out for this guy are almost as bad as the stuff I hear about Yao Ming. Mario is a DE, but that's where it stops. He's not some world beater at the position. He's never been that crazy DE that finds ways to disrupt offenses on almost every other play like you've seen in some of Freeney, Strahan, or Jared Allen's best years.
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No, I said "he draws the ire of the fans more than anyone else", never said people only speak negatively about Mario.

What more do you honestly expect from the # 1 pick? He's an elite run stuffer and averages 10 sacks a season, all while having virtually no help on the D-line and a secondary that's consistently at the bottom of the league. It seems to me as though anything short of Reggie White type production is going to be considered insufficient to our fans.

Looking back on the draft, I would still take Mario first and the only players I would even think about taking above him would be Ngata and Dbrick. I would say that he has lived up to his draft position just fine so far. But that's just my opinion.
Agreed +1

Rest of you guys are out of hand. Why don't we have these threads every week when Andre doesn't go over 100?
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Agreed +1

Rest of you guys are out of hand. Why don't we have these threads every week when Andre doesn't go over 100?
Lol!!

at the comparison to Andre Johnson.

Mario couldn't carry Andre Johnson's jock strap as far as rising up to the hype as a player at his position. That's very disrespectful to AJ.
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Lol!!

at the comparison to Andre Johnson.

Mario couldn't carry Andre Johnson's jock strap as far as rising up to the hype as a player at his position. That's very disrespectful to AJ.
and AJ just lost the SD game for the Texans....

AJ is not untouchable....
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and AJ just lost the SD game for the Texans....

AJ is not untouchable....
AJ didn't lose the damn game. He dropped a pass at a critical time in the game, but he;s by far the most reliable player this franchise has ever had. He's gone way beyond earning a pass for a play like that, and I won't criticize him one bit for that play. He knows he ****ed up, and he'll own it and come back with a vengence. No one doubts that on bit.

Where was Mario again in this game?? Ha?? The ****ing Chargers threw the ball all over the field once again without Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates, and Malcom Floyd. I don't even know who these WR's are on this team, and Rivers still torched us.

Mario Williams is overrated, plain and simple and this is another game where this team needed him to be a dominant pass rusher and he disappeared for long periods of time.
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So the criticism is that MW isn't a top 3 DE and he isn't Reggie White. Ok. Point taken. Real helpful.
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Meh. If other players on the DL were actually doing things, then I'd be more apt to hate on him. But, he's the only guy who actually does things other than just being there so. . . Not worried about him.

Now if we were talking about how Okoye or Cody or Smith wre terrible I'd probably agree.
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So the criticism is that MW isn't a top 3 DE and he isn't Reggie White. Ok. Point taken. Real helpful.
He isn't even top 20.
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AJ didn't lose the damn game. He dropped a pass at a critical time in the game, but he;s by far the most reliable player this franchise has ever had. He's gone way beyond earning a pass for a play like that, and I won't criticize him one bit for that play. He knows he ****ed up, and he'll own it and come back with a vengence. No one doubts that on bit.

Where was Mario again in this game?? Ha?? The ****ing Chargers threw the ball all over the field once again without Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates, and Malcom Floyd. I don't even know who these WR's are on this team, and Rivers still torched us.

Mario Williams is overrated, plain and simple and this is another game where this team needed him to be a dominant pass rusher and he disappeared for long periods of time.
Funny, Saw Mario moving Rivers around all day, yet Rivers could step up because there was absolutely no push up the middle by the DTs....

Oh and Mario was in on a sack but since he didn't get 5 on the day, he is overrated....

Learn what the DE position is about then come talk to me....
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He isn't even top 20.
lol. ok.

yeah I agree, he is probably like 45th or so out of starting DEs.
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