I respect a lot of the Texans, but none of them are "noticeable." They are all so down to the earth that its hard to get fired up for them. If we had someone a little crazy (not jerk crazy like randy moss) but someone like trotter, for instance (peek comes to mind), i think it would do a lot for us. I think Brees did a good job last year in this respect. Went from a sure bench warmer, to initiating team meetings and surprising everyone. Then he was a star and the rest of the team played excellently. We need a leader, and I don't know who it will be. AJ is too quiet, and the vets seem negative.
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We need a personality on this team.
- Thread starter gtexan02
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the very last thing this team needs is a Terrell Owens 'look at me' personality, IMHO.
We don't have one of those for a reason, the coach's are NOT that kind of coach's and I suspect if you wanna be a 'showboat' you had better be a very good playing one or you will be doing it from the sidelines.
and for anyone to mention Peek is hilarious. He cost us several penalty's for his after the whistle plays. And there were quite a few more that the refs let slide. THAT is something we do NOT need, IMHO.
We don't have one of those for a reason, the coach's are NOT that kind of coach's and I suspect if you wanna be a 'showboat' you had better be a very good playing one or you will be doing it from the sidelines.
and for anyone to mention Peek is hilarious. He cost us several penalty's for his after the whistle plays. And there were quite a few more that the refs let slide. THAT is something we do NOT need, IMHO.
Cincinnatikid
Waterboy
thegr8fan said:
It is hilarious that he got the team fired up when he was in. And he did get a couple penalties, but i think they have been mostly late hits on the QB. To be honest i dont mind seeing someone let the QB know that they are coming for him. Look at carr, he curles up into a ball now since he knows his line doesnt protect him. And he may have a few penalties in 2 years but they have been from having energy and playing hard for his team. Every good team has people that scare you with play and attitude, saying peek is hilarious is stupid.
TexanFan881
All Pro
i wouldnt care about getting or having a player with a 'personality', as long as they could play. i do think it would be cool to have someone on our team making some headlines though.
outofhnd
Rookie
Last year our personality came from Sharper on the Defense.
On Offense it has to be Carr AJ is not the vocal guy and that is great. I like AJ he has amean streak it showed in the season opener when he returned a cheap shot delivered by their safety.
If you want an offensive catalyst other than Carr i say look to Armstrong this season he seemed to be our most fiery receiver.
On Offense it has to be Carr AJ is not the vocal guy and that is great. I like AJ he has amean streak it showed in the season opener when he returned a cheap shot delivered by their safety.
If you want an offensive catalyst other than Carr i say look to Armstrong this season he seemed to be our most fiery receiver.
Dunta has exactly the type of persona on the field I want to see on this team. Very confident, aggressive, fearless...yet still fundamentaly sound & under control. He's an outstanding athlete who overachieves. Dunta should be a good cover corner with his athletic ability. But at his size, he shouldn't be able to take on larger ball carriers & bring them down 1-on-1. That he does just that, with authority & perfect technique, is why Dunta's an overachiever. A team loaded with talented overachievers will will championships. New England has proven that.
AlexVanderpool
Waterboy
what our defense needs is a tough, loud, and positive presense... a la ray lewis, lavar arrington, mike strahan, brian dawkins, zach thomas, etc. gary walker seemed to be that person in 2002 IMO, he has seemed to die down, but maybe he still is...
My observations:
-dunta is a great player, but he does not seem like a vocal leader.
-carr IS the vocal leader on offense.(and that's the way it should be)
-peek's raw attitude is great at times, but a "vocal defensive leader" would probably help him control the attitude, causing less penalties.
My observations:
-dunta is a great player, but he does not seem like a vocal leader.
-carr IS the vocal leader on offense.(and that's the way it should be)
-peek's raw attitude is great at times, but a "vocal defensive leader" would probably help him control the attitude, causing less penalties.
OzzO
.. and then?
need a personaliy on the team? I'd prefer a consistent team personality... one that plays hard for 4 quarters, looks at no game as a gimme, shows consistant growth, works together to hide individual weaknesses..... and makes the playoffs.
Personally, I get fired up every weekend during the season....
I get what you saying gtexan02, but there's a fine line between crazy and jerk crazy. If I wanted high profile individual egos, I'd be checking the Eagles or Cowboys.
If you're looking for crazy good... check AJ where the crazy good is shown on the field, D Rob where the surprising good has been shown, DD where the "unknown" good is coming around and Mr Carr himself... which once we get O-line good.... watchout.
Personally, I get fired up every weekend during the season....
I get what you saying gtexan02, but there's a fine line between crazy and jerk crazy. If I wanted high profile individual egos, I'd be checking the Eagles or Cowboys.
If you're looking for crazy good... check AJ where the crazy good is shown on the field, D Rob where the surprising good has been shown, DD where the "unknown" good is coming around and Mr Carr himself... which once we get O-line good.... watchout.
BornOrange
Rookie
Guys that lead their teammates by getting animated first have to earn their respect by working their butts off. Brees was able to initiate team meetings and have guys listen because they had already seen him work hard for a few years and they really respected the way he continued to work even though the organization was trying to give his job away.gtexan02 said:
It is also difficult to know who the true leaders of a team are because much of that happens out of the public's eye in practice and in the locker room. Some guys may seem like leaders when the cameras are on, they get pumped up and go around trying to encourage other players, but because of their lousy work ethic or poor attitude in practice the other players ignore them. Then again, some guy who isn't very vocal when the cameras are on may be the guy who fires everyone up in the locker room.
BornOrange
Rookie
Just because players aren't waving their arms, pumping their fists, and generally making a fool of themselves doesn't mean they have no adrenaline flowing and aren't playing with passion.
BornOrange said:
Agreed. the "firey" leader is one of the great myths in sports. Football players react to most of these guys the same way you do at the high energy in your face guy at your job. If people respect him, it is because he is good/works hard and they more put up with him getting in their face than are motivated by it. If he is mediocre and not a hard worker then the firery guy is laughed at and told to shut up and go do his job.
On leadership in general, you do need that. IMO, Sharper's lack of leadership may have more to do with him being on the trading block than his play on the field.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
ArlingtonTexan said:
That may be very true. I loved the way Sharper played the 1st two years. Last year, I thought things were down a bit for him--still a very good player, just off a bit. It surprises me though to see lots of people calling Sharper a or the leader on defense because that has been noticeably absent IMO. Hard to tell if they are just a quiet leader in the huddle but there certainly was little animation out there. How many times did you see Sharper pulling Peek out of a near fight/penalty and cautioning him? Or pulling Babin off to the side to talk about assignments? A lot of times that kind of stuff is hard to spot on the field, so more important IMO was the sideline--how many times, if ever, did you see Sharper call a meeting of the LB's or defence on the side, or pull Peek or Babin aside for counseling? What I usually saw was Babin and Peek talking together, often away from Sharper and Foreman. Look who comes over when Babin or Peek made plays also--it was usually the other youngster. Veteran leadership of rookies only works if the veterans talk to the youngsters. In contrast, Dunta, Faggins, Glenn, Coleman & Earl were often around each other--not broken up into young and older groups.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Does anyone remember when there was a post game show in the locker room and Glenn was holding a game ball telling the rest of the team that it's time to believe. He really has been the only veteran to step up and say something to this team, he has played hard over the past 3 seasons, he took a rookie under his wing and helped develope him into a potential all pro. Just look at the Secondary, it has been one of the strongest areas of our team for our whole existence and even when it struggled it found a way to get back in it. That type of focus only comes from veteran leadership.
My vote is for Aaron Glenn, even though there are others who are more popular.
My vote is for Aaron Glenn, even though there are others who are more popular.
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
El Tejano said:
i would have to agree with you, A.G i think has been the back bone of our defense, he is not a selfish player, and ya can tell when he makes a play he still loves the game, i love that lil move he always makes after he makes a tackle. He will be one of the players i'm gonna miss most (when he's gone). Plus he has kept our secondary together and looking half way decent for the last 3 years. He's my vote too.
The fact of the matter is that none of us knows what goes on in the locker room or huddle. The true leaders of teams are usually guys who could care less how often they get on camera or if anybody even knows their names. They let their work speak for themselves, and other guys respect them and listen to them because of it.
The best example of this would be the Super Bowl Buccaneers. People thought Sapp was a leader of that team, but Brooks was their true backbone. Players say that unanimously. But because Sapp draws so much attention to himself, people assume he must command the players' attention as well.
The best example of this would be the Super Bowl Buccaneers. People thought Sapp was a leader of that team, but Brooks was their true backbone. Players say that unanimously. But because Sapp draws so much attention to himself, people assume he must command the players' attention as well.
TexanFanInCC
Veteran
texan279 said:
i agree. i think now that peek is likely going to start, he should draw a lot of attention. hopefully he doesnt draw attention in a bad way, such as fighting or being a smart a**. i saw too much of that from him. i like his intensity, ut he needs to control himself bc hes always getting in skirmishes