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With Baylor's victory yesterday , they are bowl eligible and the Horns are not!
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I think it would be hilarious if Baylor won the Big XII South. Their defense is just so bad though. They could beat Texas. I think the game is going to come down to who is going to be worse, the Texas offense or the Baylor defense.
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I think it would be hilarious if Baylor won the Big XII South. Their defense is just so bad though. They could beat Texas. I think the game is going to come down to who is going to be worse, the Texas offense or the Baylor defense.
Question for you or any other poster up on the Horns. I saw a guy talking about the offensive scheme Gilbert ran at Lake Travis HS (<--?) and how it was the same as what the Longhorns ran with McCoy. They went on to say what they have for Gilbert is an effed up offense he's never run or seen in HS, therefore, let Gilbert run what McCoy ran.

Were these guys correct? Thoughts if you would?
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Everybody hates the horns.

I don't care for them one way or the other.

But if soooo many people hate them, they must be doing something right.
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Probably not directed my way, but my post was a serious question for what it's worth.
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Question for you or any other poster up on the Horns. I saw a guy talking about the offensive scheme Gilbert ran at Lake Travis HS (<--?) and how it was the same as what the Longhorns ran with McCoy. They went on to say what they have for Gilbert is an effed up offense he's never run or seen in HS, therefore, let Gilbert run what McCoy ran.

Were these guys correct? Thoughts if you would?
Yeah, there might be some truth to that. I saw Gilbert play a HS in the playoffs. The offense was a spread offense however he was not impressive at all in that game. He threw a few picks and looked pretty much what he looks like right now. I remember thinking "this is that great QB that is the future of UT?". A good friend of mine's son has a good friend on the Lake Travis coaching staff and that is why we were there. They assured me that GG just had a bad game (though LT did win that game). I accepted that but man I don't know now.

As far as to why Mack and Davis changed the entire offensive scheme is because they wanted to go to a more pro style offense. They think it will better prepare their QBs for the NFL and it will help them compete better with teams like Alabama. At least that is how it was explained on 1300 by Bucky Godbolt. However instead of all that their QB doesn't look like he will be ready for the Lingerie Football League and they cannot compete with teams like Iowa State.
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Question for you or any other poster up on the Horns. I saw a guy talking about the offensive scheme Gilbert ran at Lake Travis HS (<--?) and how it was the same as what the Longhorns ran with McCoy. They went on to say what they have for Gilbert is an effed up offense he's never run or seen in HS, therefore, let Gilbert run what McCoy ran.

Were these guys correct? Thoughts if you would?
Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but Mack runs an air-tight ship. This is the kind of thing you'd read on a message board or hear on talk radio, but Mack keeps this kind of stuff in-house.....leaving the rest of us to speculate.

I'm not a real X's and O's guy, but I don't see a big change in the offense. The main one that I see is that McCoy and Shipley are gone and the coaches forgot that they weren't going to be here this season.

They haven't been able to run the ball since Cedric Benson left and weren't able to run it all that well when he was there. The guys that picked up all the ground yards have been the last 2 QB's.

The offensive plan has always been inept. Greg Davis has never kept any Defensive Coordinator from sleeping at night.
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Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but Mack runs an air-tight ship. This is the kind of thing you'd read on a message board or hear on talk radio, but Mack keeps this kind of stuff in-house.....leaving the rest of us to speculate.

I'm not a real X's and O's guy, but I don't see a big change in the offense. The main one that I see is that McCoy and Shipley are gone and the coaches forgot that they weren't going to be here this season.

They haven't been able to run the ball since Cedric Benson left and weren't able to run it all that well when he was there. The guys that picked up all the ground yards have been the last 2 QB's.

The offensive plan has always been inept. Greg Davis has never kept any Defensive Coordinator from sleeping at night.
I am not a real X and O guy either however they have overhauled their scheme. They have gone to an under center more pro set from the spread offense. However your point about the offensive plan always being inept, that is true.

The last part I have to disagree with. Greg Davis has probably been keeping Will Muschamp up at night.
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I'm the biggest Baylor fan you'll ever meet. I'm so happy to go bowling. Ya, ya...it's just a bowl game; but it really is more than just a bowl game for the football program. Two years ago when we got a birth to the NCAA tourney, it was more than a birth. I think you can see how that worked out, Elite Eight last year.

With all that said, Austin will collapse if UT loses at home two games in a row to Iowa St. and Baylor. Horns will win. OU will take the South.

Now A&M, that's another story...
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I'm the biggest Baylor fan you'll ever meet. I'm so happy to go bowling. Ya, ya...it's just a bowl game; but it really is more than just a bowl game for the football program. Two years ago when we got a birth to the NCAA tourney, it was more than a birth. I think you can see how that worked out, Elite Eight last year.

With all that said, Austin will collapse if UT loses at home two games in a row to Iowa St. and Baylor. Horns will win. OU will take the South.

Now A&M, that's another story...
It would be 3 home games in a row.
UCLA, Iowa St and Baylor
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Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but Mack runs an air-tight ship. This is the kind of thing you'd read on a message board or hear on talk radio, but Mack keeps this kind of stuff in-house.....leaving the rest of us to speculate.

I'm not a real X's and O's guy, but I don't see a big change in the offense. The main one that I see is that McCoy and Shipley are gone and the coaches forgot that they weren't going to be here this season.

They haven't been able to run the ball since Cedric Benson left and weren't able to run it all that well when he was there. The guys that picked up all the ground yards have been the last 2 QB's.

The offensive plan has always been inept. Greg Davis has never kept any Defensive Coordinator from sleeping at night.
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I am not a real X and O guy either however they have overhauled their scheme. They have gone to an under center more pro set from the spread offense. However your point about the offensive plan always being inept, that is true.

The last part I have to disagree with. Greg Davis has probably been keeping Will Muschamp up at night.
Cool, thanks. I was curious because it seemed like a plausible story and I got interested. I'm not big on x's and o's either..lol.

After thinking about it I was watching a show on FSSW that FSHouston might of might not get called Big XII This Week of something like that. Hook 'em prabably knows the show being in Austin.
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I'm the biggest Baylor fan you'll ever meet. I'm so happy to go bowling. Ya, ya...it's just a bowl game; but it really is more than just a bowl game for the football program. Two years ago when we got a birth to the NCAA tourney, it was more than a birth. I think you can see how that worked out, Elite Eight last year.

With all that said, Austin will collapse if UT loses at home two games in a row to Iowa St. and Baylor. Horns will win. OU will take the South.

Now A&M, that's another story...
Yeah it is a pretty big deal fora team that has really struggled in Big 12 play and due to location and academics its probably hard to recruit. Honestly congrats to long suffering Baylor fans.

Far as UT is concerned. Defensively the team is tough and wel lcoached by Muschamp. Offensively.....well nicely put they're struggling. Between Mack and Greg Davis I'm not sure they know what they want to do on the offensive side of the ball. They've got great athletes atthe skills positions, they just don't have what you would call a traditional RB. They need to accept it and find ways to get the ball to these guys in space and in full stride.

Far as turning things to a more pro style offense....sure when you get the personnel for it, right now they need to concentrate on the strengths of their current players and win games.
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I won't be upset at all if Baylor beats UT. The Horns are done for anyway, and if someone else is going to win the South I'd like it to be the Bears. Plus it would be a bigger middle finger to the money grubbers ruining conferences this offseason than UT beating Nebraska was.

Baylor/Missouri would be a great Big 12 Championship for me, even if no one else would watch. Somehow I doubt those are the two teams JJ had in mind for the Championship Game at his palace.
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I still don't see Baylor beating OU. I think OU will win the Big 12 south, but Baylor will probably end up in second place.
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I still don't see Baylor beating OU. I think OU will win the Big 12 south, but Baylor will probably end up in second place.
Agreed, Baylor's defense makes the Texans defense look like the 85 Chicago Bears defense. OU is going to kill them unfortunately.
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I wouldn't bet on Baylor, but let's remember that OU's D isn't all that hot either -- they're actually giving up more YPG than Baylor does. They also have been far less than impressive on the road (a 2 pt win over Cincy and a loss to Mizzou), and the Baylor game will be in Waco -- it's Baylor's last game of the season. The Bears should be just as worried IMO about a trip to Stillwater that's right around the corner, especially if they beat Texas and go into the game overconfident.
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Baylor schedule is front loaded with the easier games, which also helped improve their stats. Now they have a gauntlet run of Texas, OSU, A&M and OU. Had they played any one of the next four earlier, it is highly likely they are still hoping to be bowl eligible.

It's entirely likely they go on a 4 game skid and finish the season 6-6. And if A&M goes 6-6 as well, they could also find themselves without a bowl as the lower bowls would probably want a 6-6 A&M over a 6-6 Baylor if for no other reason than A&M travels better and can sell more tickets.
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Baylor schedule is front loaded with the easier games, which also helped improve their stats. Now they have a gauntlet run of Texas, OSU, A&M and OU. Had they played any one of the next four earlier, it is highly likely they are still hoping to be bowl eligible.

It's entirely likely they go on a 4 game skid and finish the season 6-6. And if A&M goes 6-6 as well, they could also find themselves without a bowl as the lower bowls would probably want a 6-6 A&M over a 6-6 Baylor if for no other reason than A&M travels better and can sell more tickets.
OU plays 3 of the same 4 teams. Just swap Texas for Tech and they play the same schedule. Admittedly OU has a leg up by beating Texas while Baylor already lost to Tech. Baylor pretty much has to beat Texas to hold pace, especially if OU beats Tech (they will).

I'm not entirely sold on OU. I think they are talented and will be king of the mountain for the next few years, but they still seem to have trouble in hostile environments and they have several tough games coming up themselves. If A&M gets 'em at Kyle Field (I know, I know) then Baylor just has to take the Aggies out at home.

I find it interesting that OU lists the Big 12 Championship Game on their schedule. Baylor doesn't.
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You somehow forget about Jamal Charles and Ramonce Taylor? That was the year that the Longhorns won the NC and they had a great running game between Charles, Ramonce, and Selvin Young. Jamal Charles was still pretty good the two years following, but he was never used properly by the coaching staff and that's why he said he wanted to leave early. That's when the running game really dropped off.

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Yeah it is a pretty big deal fora team that has really struggled in Big 12 play and due to location and academics its probably hard to recruit.
Bull****... academics and location, please.

Ask Scott Drew how tough it is to recruit there. 5 star ranked recruits Perry Jones, Quincy Miller, and Isiah Austin might have something to say about that. In the mean time, for any Longhorn haters, you can watch the Quincy Acy dunkshow guest starring the Texas MBB team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H9ou2_7Tio

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I find it interesting that OU lists the Big 12 Championship Game on their schedule. Baylor doesn't.
Let's be a little realistic here. OU expects to play in the Big XII Championship game every year, just like UT. Baylor, well, we dream of playing in it. I can see why they didn't list it. I imagine OU will win the south and Baylor will place 3rd-5th. Remember, the Bears haven't yet beaten a team from the South this year... it's still very early.

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