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Old 10-22-2010   #1
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos.../Player-safety

One thing I found interesting is that they show clips of players making "good clean hits" and they are exactly the same as the injury or head-shot clips. Minus the Meriweather clip (which was dirty). Ray Lewis is shown blowing up a TE and it looks just like the Harrison hit on Massaquoi. But the TE Ray Lewis hits did not duck or pull up to avoid the hit, so Lewis never leaves his feet. In Harrisons hit Massaquoi seems to pull up and duck to avoid the hit which is why Harrison looks almost air-born.

I think that some illegal hits will be avoided with the new rules, but I also think that alot of clean hitting players will get fined or suspended due to the offensive player reacting to the hit. He shows a KC player knock down a WR by hitting him in the chest. But had that receiver seen the hit coming and ducked, I guarantee that he would have smacked the WR in the head and be fined for a head strike.

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I think that some illegal hits will be avoided with the new rules, but I also think that alot of clean hitting players will get fined or suspended due to the offensive player reacting to the hit.
Great point and I agree completely. I've been on the optimistic side of hoping that the NFL is implementing a policy focused solely on the really obvious hits, but after watching that video, I'm not so sure anymore.

I've watched so much on these enforcement changes, and since we have yet to see any games under the new policy, it's really tough to know exactly where the NFL is going to draw the line in the sand.

There is certainly something to be said about an offensive player's responsibility to know where they are on the field, as well, especially with QBs leading receivers right into hits. Then, add to it the tendency for a ball carrier to 'clinch' the body at the moment of impact, and a hit that a defender was aiming to be legal can change in a split second to an illegal hit. I don't see how they can consistently enforce the rules as outlined in that video.
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Basically the rule is : If the offensive player doesn't get up after the hit it's a flag, fine and suspension.
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basically the rule is : If the offensive player doesn't get up after the hit it's a flag, fine and suspension.
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Ray Anderson, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations, tells players "you are on notice" in the video, stressing the league's commitment to enforcing punishment for aggressive hits to the head and neck area.

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Anderson says of Robinson's hit, in which the cornerback launched himself toward Jackson but didn't make contact with his helmet: "It's bang-bang but still illegal. The receiver is defenseless and in the act of attempting to catch a pass."

"These hits can have severe consequences for the player delivering the hit as well as for the player taking the blow," adds Anderson, a member of the NFL's competition committee. "Using the head, forearm or shoulder to deliver the initial hit against a defenseless player will draw significant discipline."
God forbid someone should try to interfere with the receiver catching a pass. Basically, you have to let the receiver catch the ball. Like I said in another thread on this topic, the NFL is on its way to completely neutering defense.
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Do you guys think this will open up the doorway to flopping in the NFL? Those of you who watch soccer know how rampant that is in the sport, and with this new rule it might encourage offensive players to take a little bit more time getting up than usual...perhaps rolling on the ground and writhing in "pain" for a good 2-3 minutes before they do.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but I seriously think some teams with weak offenses might use this new rule to their advantage.
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Do you guys think this will open up the doorway to flopping in the NFL? Those of you who watch soccer know how rampant that is in the sport, and with this new rule it might encourage offensive players to take a little bit more time getting up than usual...perhaps rolling on the ground and writhing in "pain" for a good 2-3 minutes before they do.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but I seriously think some teams with weak offenses might use this new rule to their advantage.
Could be something a player does AFTER the hit. Much like some pretend to "cramp up". That very well may be the case. I don't think it will be going through a player's head during the play and at contact. It's a person's natural reflex to tense up when their about to get hit, if they try and "flop" during the hit... they will likely get their knocked back into the stoneage.
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God forbid someone should try to interfere with the receiver catching a pass. Basically, you have to let the receiver catch the ball. Like I said in another thread on this topic, the NFL is on its way to completely neutering defense.
No you don't. You can tackle without launching yourself head or shoulder first.

Youve never been allowed to closeline someone, this is just an extension of that. Hit him solid or hit him in the arms/hand, and you're still fine.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8H39WOsBGM

Going back to it I think the Sheppard hit on Reggie Bush would draw a fine today. Kinda sad.
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The more and more I watch these MONSTER HITS, the more and more I am sure that there is no such thing as safe hitting with the new helmet and facemask.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/218738...nfl_hits_ever/
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The more and more I watch these MONSTER HITS, the more and more I am sure that there is no such thing as safe hitting with the new helmet and facemask.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/218738...nfl_hits_ever/
Thats about 8 million dollars worth of hits in that video, lol.
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Going back to it I think the Sheppard hit on Reggie Bush would draw a fine today. Kinda sad.
No it wouldn't. He hit with his shoulders to the midsection. Very similar to the Ray Lewis hit that was shown to be legal.
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Basically the rule is : If the offensive player doesn't get up after the hit it's a flag, fine and suspension.
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So ....God forbid someone should try to interfere with the receiver catching a pass. Basically, you have to let the receiver catch the ball. Like I said in another thread on this topic, the NFL is on its way to completely neutering defense.

And this has been my beef with this from the beginning...

They are making it really hard on defensive players to do their job...

Honestly, I am more worried now about one of our defensive players getting suspended than I am about an offensive player getting severely hurt...

It's a game of inches...sometimes stuff happens...Players who are deliberately being dirty should be dealt with, but I just think they are going too far now....Let them play...
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No you don't. You can tackle without launching yourself head or shoulder first.
??????

I guess belly first will be the new tackling technique???

When you hit someone you have to lean forward. Naturally that means your head and shoulder will be the first part to make contact.

That is unless we are going to start asking defenders to run in to make hits and tackles chest up....Which will get them killed....

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Youve never been allowed to closeline someone, this is just an extension of that. Hit him solid or hit him in the arms/hand, and you're still fine.
So defenders should aim for the hands or arms???

What?

Please explain this...
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I wonder how the offensive players feel about this new rule. You think they are for it? Or you think they respect the game enough to know that big hits are just part of the game.

Also why would a defense player do helmet to helmet tackle of purpose anyways, he has as much to lose as the other guy.

NFL is becoming a pansy league, lets see how the players react this week.
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Default Re: The NFL's Player safety Video

I'm just going to make an observation here. Every single one of the hits shown during the "illegal" segment was a hit directly to the helmet, except for the one by Dunta Robinson, which I think was because he sort of led with his helmet. None of the hits in the "legal" segment were to the helmet.


I'm perfectly fine forbidding and enforcing hits to the helmet. Those are just unnecessarily dangerous. You don't need to ram them in the helmet to jar the ball loose. The only reason to hit someone in the helmet is to give them a stinger or knock them out.

What the "new" rule looks like to me is just this: don't ram people in the helmet, and don't ram people with your helmet.
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"NFL ‘proper technique’ wasn’t by design said Ray Lewis"

"Ray Anderson, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations, calls the Ray Lewis hit on Dustin Keller "tough, clean football". Weeks ago, I asked Ray Lewis if he was attempting to do a modern example of a legal tackle. Ooops, NFL...."

Scroll down and isten to the Ray Lewis audio.

http://zakkandjack.com/2010/10/nfls-textbook-tackle/
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If the O player is NOT lowering his helmet (shoulder) (they both go down you know), then a D player should not be allowed to hit the O players helmet. However, I have an issue (actually, several) with D players not being allowed to lead with the helmet:

1) just like the O player, the D players heads are on top of their shoulders. Kinda makes it hard to lead with a shoulder.

2) if I'm a D player, first thing Ima tryda do is ram the fricking ball with my helmet. That would be right before I WRAP the guy up and don't let go until the whistle blows (lesson here for Texans players). Ya aoughta be ableda tryta knock the snot outa the ball! Screw the ball! Kill it! I wanna see dead balls fumbling all over the place! This is not ta hurt people. It's ta hurt their balls!!!

Anyway, getting back to the point: DO lead with the helmet, cuz what are ya gonna lead with your feet?....and DON'T go for the O players helmet, cuz that ain't where their balls are.
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