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Old 03-28-2005   #1
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Default What Sells Tickets? Good Offense or Good Defense? You Be The Judge...

Personally, I want offense. I would much rather go to every game as a season ticket holder and watch the Texans lose 50 to 49 than to watch them play a defensive game and win 7 to 3. I love it when the Colts come to town. I wouldn't miss Mannings for the world. All though last year on the way home from the game I rolled my Explorer at 610 and 45. Almost killed me and my daughtr. But we are OK and back for another season. Still looking for a ride though....
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The saying goes, "Offense sells tickets, Defence wins championships."

However, I personally dont see it your way. As a season ticket holder, I would rather see them just win... whether its 3-0 or 19-10.
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A good team will sell tickets. I personally would be equally upset with a 50-49 loss, because we scored enough to win but the D didnt hold up, as I would a 7-3 loss because the D didnt its job but the Offense fell asleep. A team that wins 49-3 would sell out alot more than the other two teams.




This is all just my opinion though, but as a whole I think people tend to want to see offense.
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Winning sells tickets...It doesn't matter how the team achieves getting the W, all that matters is that they get it...
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lets see, who sold more tickets last season the Ravens or the Colts?

Someone find that for us?

I would much rather buy a ticket for a stud offensive team. Simply put if I'm watching a low scoring game on tv, I tend to take my Sunday nap instead.
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Well, I think the Raven fans can answer that, as long as they win at least and are fun to watch. People like Ray Lewis, Suggs and Reed will make sure of that though.
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They showed stats on the Super Bowl Champs since the merger. Offense wins Championships as much as Defense. It is an overused saying.

Here are what I view as the positions I view as a combination of difficult to fill and important:

- Shut down CB
- Quarterback
- All-purpose star WR
- Offensive left tackle
- Pass-rusher (usually OLB for 3-4, DE for 4-3)
- D-line stud run stuffer (usually NT in 3-4, and DT in 4-3)

We appear to have the first three licked. We still need to fill the last three needs. We may have the pass-rusher in Peek, but the verdict is still out. We do not have the D-line clog (like Casey Hampton or Jamal Williams). I don't see Wand as that iron wall on the left side, however, I don't see us getting the opportunity to draft one any time soon either.

I'm not including RB in this list because I think they are relatively easy to acquire in comparison to the other positions.

I want us to fill 5 of the 6 needs above sufficiently before I consider us a perenniel contender for the Super Bowl.
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They showed stats on the Super Bowl Champs since the merger. Offense wins Championships as much as Defense. It is an overused saying.

Here are what I view as the positions I view as a combination of difficult to fill and important:

- Shut down CB
- Quarterback
- All-purpose star WR
- Offensive left tackle
- Pass-rusher (usually OLB for 3-4, DE for 4-3)
- D-line stud run stuffer (usually NT in 3-4, and DT in 4-3)

We appear to have the first three licked. We still need to fill the last three needs. We may have the pass-rusher in Peek, but the verdict is still out. We do not have the D-line clog (like Casey Hampton or Jamal Williams). I don't see Wand as that iron wall on the left side, however, I don't see us getting the opportunity to draft one any time soon either.

I'm not including RB in this list because I think they are relatively easy to acquire in comparison to the other positions.

I want us to fill 5 of the 6 needs above sufficiently before I consider us a perenniel contender for the Super Bowl.
It seems Wand is the man whether he turns out to be or not. Few think DJ will drop to 13th and no one else at OLB looks like instant sack machine in draft. I hope Peek, Dunte and Babin fill that roll with 8-10 sacks and another 10- 12 pressures that force QB to hurry. As Marcus SPears is projected to be gone, I do not think we will get what you want for NT. I also think most receivers & rb's will be gone. One of the top 3 and maybe one standout receiver may fall to 13. I expect a trade down as draft is deep in corners and we could get one or a receiver lower in 1st round and pick up another pick.
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I think in most cases it is offense

But if a Defense has the potential to hit someone so hard they break their neck on every play (85 Bears), I think I'd wanna pay some money
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It seems Wand is the man whether he turns out to be or not. Few think DJ will drop to 13th and no one else at OLB looks like instant sack machine in draft. I hope Peek, Dunte and Babin fill that roll with 8-10 sacks and another 10- 12 pressures that force QB to hurry. As Marcus SPears is projected to be gone, I do not think we will get what you want for NT. I also think most receivers & rb's will be gone. One of the top 3 and maybe one standout receiver may fall to 13. I expect a trade down as draft is deep in corners and we could get one or a receiver lower in 1st round and pick up another pick.
That is what I think we need in the long-term. The only key position I think we might draft in the 1st this year is a pass-rushing OLB. I really think we go WR. I listed what I think most teams need for long-term success. I actually think we will go either OLB or WR with this pick though. I really don't want to go into the season with Gaffney as our #2. I won't keep double-teams of of AJ.
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would much rather go to every game as a season ticket holder and watch the Texans lose 50 to 49 than to watch them play a defensive game and win 7 to 3
Not me. I would much rather see them win regardless of the score. Heck 2-0 on a safety is better than losing 50-49.
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Personally, I want offense. I would much rather go to every game as a season ticket holder and watch the Texans lose 50 to 49 than to watch them play a defensive game and win 7 to 3.
I would suggest you convert over to the AFL and smile all the way to game then.

A winning team sells tickets. Whether that team is offensive oriented, ie Colts or Defensive ie Ravens. Winning is the way to attract bandwaggon fans and sell out stadiums. Losing is a way to empty the stands and not attract fans. Offense and Defense need to be balanced for a Superbowl win, IMHO. That is why the offensive powerhouse Colts never go far in the playoffs. There are exceptions to the rule, as in the 85 Bears. But those are flukes, not the norm.
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The Jags had a nice season. 9-7. Almost made the playoffs. But they didnt have fans sitting in the seats.
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agreed with everyone stating that a 'winning team' sells tickets. and i think a team who loses 50-49 v one that loses 6-3 is equally frustrating because one part of the 'team' is not holding up their end of the bargain. when the rams won it all, high scoring was sheik. after the ravens did the giants dirty, defense was the flavor of the month. the patriots have shown that adaptability could be the greatest asset (ie. great coaching), as they can shoot you down in a shoot out, and beat you down in a brawl.

that being said, i love defensive struggles. every play matters, every possesion matters. true in any kind of game, but (stereotypically) games with high scoring offense's seem to be alot more loose and finesse than physical. when i want to watch basketball, i'll turn on the rockets. i'll take a 4-6 game where people throw their bodies around as opposed to a game where every other play is a highlight reel catch. and i seem to have this internal threshold that is crossed if 'my team' (old HS football team, texans, aggies, madden...) allow's more than 14 points...i go from this ...to this really quick...

almost forgot, i don't get the fascination with the almighty 'point'. why do most people think the more points the better?
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Defense baby!

What could be more thrilling than watching the texan D shutout a Minning led Colts offense with sacks and INT's
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The Jags had a nice season. 9-7. Almost made the playoffs. But they didnt have fans sitting in the seats.
Small market vs. big stadium I believe. They were up there in home average attendance (14th.... Texans were 10th)

2004 attendance

As for the thread - agree, winning teams sell tickets. I will say the high scoring affairs only to not quite win it at the end takes alot out of me at the end (re: Viking game). the defensive battles of low scoring are good as well.

Just give me a well played, close game... with the occasional whuppin we put on other teams is nice though.
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Personally, I disliked watching a finesse team like the Run and Shoot Oilers. I love smash mouth running games and dominant defensive teams physically controlling football games. Some of the all-time great offensive teams never won it all. The Dan Marino Dolphins, the Dan Fouts Chargers, the Peyton Manning Colts and the Warren Moon Oilers were all huge dominant offensive machines but never won it all. I'll take wide open offense, but I am not a big fan of spending all our cap dollars on one side of the ball like the Colts do.
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Amen Vinny I get excited about a big time scoring play but nothing gets me up screaming like a big time Defensive play like a Stellar Hit or a turnover.
Partly because you never see those plays again on the Highlights all the Highlights tend to show you the finesse.
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I can't understand "fans" who would rather lose a high scoring game than win a low scoring game. That is just completely alien to me. The whole purpose of the game is to win, regardless of whether you feature the offense or defense.

I went to an Astros game in 86 when Nolan Ryan was pitching. He had his single game high as an Astro of 16 strikeouts. Floyd Youmans of Montreal was the other pitcher and he had something like 14 strikeouts. Both pitchers had a shutout after 9 innings. In the 10th, Ryan walked the first two batters and Dave Smith came in and struck out the side. In the bottom of the 10th, Glenn Davis hit the first pitch into the left field second deck. Probably the best game I have ever seen in person. Some lady in the row behind me said that it was the most boring game she had ever seen, that nothing happened until the very end.

Homebred Texan must be related to that lady.
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I went to an Astros game in 86 when Nolan Ryan was pitching. He had his single game high as an Astro of 16 strikeouts. Floyd Youmans of Montreal was the other pitcher and he had something like 14 strikeouts. Both pitchers had a shutout after 9 innings. In the 10th, Ryan walked the first two batters and Dave Smith came in and struck out the side. In the bottom of the 10th, Glenn Davis hit the first pitch into the left field second deck. Probably the best game I have ever seen in person.
Dude, I was at that game sitting in left field! It was a great game, but not as great as the Met game the Saturday before. Mike Scott vs. Dwight Gooden. The 'Stros had a 4-0 lead going into the 9th, but Scott & Dave Smith both coughed up long balls. Then in the bottom of the 9th, Craig Reynolds (of all people) hits a walkoff HR. Unbelievable. What a great year that was with the Rockets & Astros.

What sells tickets? The experience. The Texans haven't had a great offense, great defense, or a winning record. But, they've sold out every game. There's a buzz around the stadium on most Sundays, and it's really unexplainable. You've either got it or you don't, and the Texans have got it.
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