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Default Value of Demeco Ryans: Before and After

A few things:

1. Demeco Ryans is the defensive quarterback.

2. His nickname is captain.

3. He plays both the run and the pass reasonably well.

Before Ryans was injured, we allowed:
20 rushes for 98 yards (4.9 yards per carry)

After Ryans was injured, we allowed:
18 rushes for 130 yards (7.2 yards per carry)

Just food for thought.

However, keep in mind that we have 2 weeks to prepare for a new MLB, whereas Diles had to improvise mid game yesterday. Hopefully Sharpton/Bentley will take over duties and allow the rest of our LBs to play in their usual spots
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I think part of the defensive collapse was Ryans being replaced by Nixon but the other part was the defense being exhausted from being run up and down the field for 2 hours.
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Default Re: Value of Demeco Ryans: Before and After

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I think part of the defensive collapse was Ryans being replaced by Nixon but the other part was the defense being exhausted from being run up and down the field for 2 hours.
Demeco can go sideline to sideline when OL are not getting free releases down the field.. or Amobi parking in the lanes as he's getting driven down the field.. Our other linebackers do not have this type of range so it really hurts. The MLB is supposed to flow from inside out while the OLB contain the plays, the DE should set the edge allowing all others to flow to the ball.

We lose the sideline to sideline pursuit of Demeco in his loss, we lose him as the captain making the plays/adjustements and making sure everyone is lined up. We also lose someone who would cut their left arm off to make this team better.
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I think part of the defensive collapse was Ryans being replaced by Nixon but the other part was the defense being exhausted from being run up and down the field for 2 hours.
Yeah, our inability to sustain drives (on offense) wore the defense out. This has been a problem in all games except the Colts game.

They are tired. Plus, the defense is allowing the opposing offense to get a lot of 3rd down conversions. The 8-minute drives by opposing offenses is brutal.

Throw Sharpton in there and let him gobble up those running plays.
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Default Re: Value of Demeco Ryans: Before and After

The bright spots that I see are:
Our run defense was not stellar before Ryans. Maybe this will be the kick in the pants to the rest of the team to step up.

We were able to make stops when it really, really mattered, even without Ryans
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Yeah, our inability to sustain drives (on offense) wore the defense out. This has been a problem in all games except the Colts game.

They are tired. Plus, the defense is allowing the opposing offense to get a lot of 3rd down conversions. The 8-minute drives by opposing offenses is brutal.

Throw Sharpton in there and let him gobble up those running plays.
This almost reminds me of watching P-Burnt line up with a 10 yard cushion on a 3rd and 5 .... Whatever happened to DB's jamming recievers on the line?

Add to that the Texans have been hammered time and again in the soft spots within the zones , between the LB's CB's and again between the CB's and S's.
They are gonna have to figure it out real quick if they plan on making a real push for a playoff spot.
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This almost reminds me of watching P-Burnt line up with a 10 yard cushion on a 3rd and 5 .... Whatever happened to DB's jamming recievers on the line?

Add to that the Texans have been hammered time and again in the soft spots within the zones , between the LB's CB's and again between the CB's and S's.
They are gonna have to figure it out real quick if they plan on making a real push for a playoff spot.
After watching him in the night game yesterday he looked better than what we've seen in our back end
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Default Re: Value of Demeco Ryans: Before and After

Funny how both Babin and Pburnt have restored careers now...

Although Pburnts team still gave up 400+ yards of offense and a loss to the Colts. Those few good plays at the end didnt make up for an overall very poor effort
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Funny how both Babin and Pburnt have restored careers now...

Although Pburnts team still gave up 400+ yards of offense and a loss to the Colts. Those few good plays at the end didnt make up for an overall very poor effort
I don't think the current coaching group gave Babin a chance. He was a DE in college, changed to LB, then changed back and dumped after one season for another crappy safety.
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Imagine how good Ryans would be if he had a couple DTs to keep him clean. Remember a few years ago when Ray Lewis was having issues, before they got Haloti Ngata?
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Imagine how good Ryans would be if he had a couple DTs to keep him clean. Remember a few years ago when Ray Lewis was having issues, before they got Haloti Ngata?
Finally at least someone understands how MLB is played and why having bad DT is a horrible experiene for a MLB..

Anyone want to trade for Richard Seymour, something tells me he would love to be out of the Raiders camp!
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Finally at least someone understands how MLB is played and why having bad DT is a horrible experiene for a MLB..

Anyone want to trade for Richard Seymour, something tells me he would love to be out of the Raiders camp!
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This almost reminds me of watching P-Burnt line up with a 10 yard cushion on a 3rd and 5 .... Whatever happened to DB's jamming recievers on the line?

Add to that the Texans have been hammered time and again in the soft spots within the zones , between the LB's CB's and again between the CB's and S's.
They are gonna have to figure it out real quick if they plan on making a real push for a playoff spot.
you may need to start calling phillip by his name after watching him last night. i did'nt watch the whole game but he looked a lot better than any of our corners the plays i did watch and i did see him knock down two passes in a three play stretch.
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I really dont think that they can afford to do that this season if their goal is to get in the playoffs .... They need help on the defensive side of the ball come hell or high water.
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TBO this last OS i was thinking in the back of my mind should we give Demco a new deal .. or should we go with someone younger ????

Isnt he a Kubes guy right he was one of Kubes first draft picks or was he a capers guy ???? i forget
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TBO this last OS i was thinking in the back of my mind should we give Demco a new deal .. or should we go with someone younger ????

Isnt he a Kubes guy right he was one of Kubes first draft picks or was he a capers guy ???? i forget
He was drafted under Kubiak.
2006 #1 pick was Mario
2006 #33 pick was Demeco

We also got Eric Winston, Owen Daniels and David Anderson from that draft.
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you may need to start calling phillip by his name after watching him last night. i did'nt watch the whole game but he looked a lot better than any of our corners the plays i did watch and i did see him knock down two passes in a three play stretch.
The only team worse than the Redskins in pass defense is... you guessed it... the Texans.

Pburnt has been horrible all season. Their entire secondary has. They are just barely better than us at 298 yards per game.

Those 2 knocks downs were great, but they gave up 470 yards to the Colts yesterday
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Imagine how good Ryans would be if he had a couple DTs to keep him clean. Remember a few years ago when Ray Lewis was having issues, before they got Haloti Ngata?
I completely EFFIN agree with this!
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I completely EFFIN agree with this!
You can dominate a game when your front 4 are defense are really good, hello vikings anyone? You can dominate on offense when you have a great front 5.. Building a great team is about building your core product, and that's OL/DL..

If you are average everywhere else you'll more years than not make the playoffs and be a contender..
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Imagine how good Ryans would be if he had a couple DTs to keep him clean. Remember a few years ago when Ray Lewis was having issues, before they got Haloti Ngata?
We don't play that kind of defense.

That was Richard Smith's old read and react where you want your DT's holding up O-linemen.

Now we play a style where we want our DT's to shoot gaps and penetrate.

That in itself is going to mean that the LB's will have to fight off more blocks.
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