McCain stars in TMQ - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

**kiwitexansfan** · 10-13-2010

Sour Play of the Week: Jersey/A leading the Houston Texans 14-0, the New York Giants faced third-and-4 on the Moo Cows' 12. Eli Manning is starting to look for Hakeem Nicks at the goal line and had already thrown him a short touchdown pass. Nickelback Brice McCain lined up across from Nicks in a weird "inside technique" stance, facing the center of the field. Corners who line up this way are conceding the sideline but being sure of stopping a down-and-in.

At least that's what's supposed to happen. Nicks ran a down-and-in -- and McCain just stood there watching as the uncovered Nicks scored a touchdown. There was no one else in McCain's area for him to worry about. When you line up specifically to stop a down-and-in, then stand watching that very pattern run for a touchdown, that is seriously sour. Nicks was covered by no one despite Houston dropping seven into coverage against four receivers and having only a small area of the field to defend. The Texans are last in the league in passing defense.

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buddyboy · 10-13-2010

Was this the play where Pollard bit on the RB running the flat?

**gtexan02** · 10-13-2010

And another point its Kubes

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Buck-Buck-Brawckkkkkkk: Trailing Jersey/A 21-0, Houston coach Gary Kubiak sent in the field-goal unit on fourth-and-7 at the Giants' 20. The home fans booed loudly, as they should have. Houston went on to lose 34-10.

Brisco_County · 10-13-2010

Begs the question: Personnel or DB coach?

Rey · 10-13-2010

Yeah Pollard bit on that play, but McCain should have squeezed Nicks a little bit more...

As the writer said, there was no one else even around...Makes no sense to just stand there covering air...

If McCain would have squeezed the WR more into the next persons zone he would have been closer to make a play...But he didn't do that, so we end up sucking...again...

HJam72 · 10-13-2010

So, the whole D was SUPPOSED to be covering Nicks on that play.

TheCD · 10-13-2010

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Originally Posted by gtexan02

And another point its Kubes

I can see why the fans would boo, but I personally agree with a field goal in that situation. We were being lambasted 21-0 and often if you can just put points up it eases the tension some. Had we gone for it and missed it the opposite would be said there in that quote...and I think that we would have been beaten down even more so.

BigBull17 · 10-13-2010

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Originally Posted by TheCD

I can see why the fans would boo, but I personally agree with a field goal in that situation. We were being lambasted 21-0 and often if you can just put points up it eases the tension some. Had we gone for it and missed it the opposite would be said there in that quote...and I think that we would have been beaten down even more so.

yeah, you cant go for every 4th down. You have to start somewhere.

**gtexan02** · 10-13-2010

Down 21-0, 3 points does very little. We were getting shellacked by that time, and had been moving the ball. Had we gone for it and gotten it, it could have changed the entire game. Kicking a FG is a mental victory for the NYG

TexCanada · 10-13-2010

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Originally Posted by Brisco_County

Begs the question: Personnel or DB coach?

I'm leaning towards DB coach. We have had many players come and go in this secondary, almost none of which have had any success. Even guys who have great first years go on to suck after our DB coach has had him for a year.

dalemurphy · 10-13-2010

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Originally Posted by TexCanada

I'm leaning towards DB coach. We have had many players come and go in this secondary, almost none of which have had any success. Even guys who have great first years go on to suck after our DB coach has had him for a year.

This is only David Gibbs second year as secondary coach.. Last year, he took late round rookies Brice McCain and Glover Quin and turned them into productive CBs. I can't build a case that Gibbs has done a great job here... it's simply too early to tell. However, it is way too early to suggest replacing him. And, it wasn't responsible for the failures of guys like Dunta, Bennett, etc... that was the previous guy.

**gtexan02** · 10-13-2010

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy

This is only David Gibbs second year as secondary coach.. Last year, he took late round rookies Brice McCain and Glover Quin and turned them into productive CBs. I can't build a case that Gibbs has done a great job here... it's simply too early to tell. However, it is way too early to suggest replacing him. And, it wasn't responsible for the failures of guys like Dunta, Bennett, etc... that was the previous guy.

The previous guy as in the one who recently joined the Chicago Bears?
The Chicago bears who currently rank #4 in the entire NFL in QB rating allowed at 67 (we rank 3rd to last at 104)
The Chicago bears who currently rank 1st having only allowed 2 passing TDs all year (we rank next to last with 11)

They are also 2nd allowing only 6 yards per attempt

Just wanted to make sure it was the same guy

Im starting to think its not the DB coach, but more the scheme from the d coordinator or the players

BigBull17 · 10-13-2010

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Originally Posted by gtexan02

The previous guy as in the one who recently joined the Chicago Bears?
The Chicago bears who currently rank #4 in the entire NFL in QB rating allowed at 67 (we rank 3rd to last at 104)
The Chicago bears who currently rank 1st having only allowed 2 passing TDs all year (we rank next to last with 11)

They are also 2nd allowing only 6 yards per attempt

Just wanted to make sure it was the same guy

Im starting to think its not the DB coach, but more the scheme from the d coordinator or the players

We don't put our guys in a position to be good. We lack any form of creativity. Our line backers blitz worse than just about anybody, save Cushing. Diles and Demeco are horrible blitzers. Nading can be blocked with harsh language. Cody is a run stuffer. A Smith can rush from the DT spot, but can't play there for the whole game. Mario is the only guy you have to account for, so teams are putting alot of people on him and wearing him down. Our safeties are average in coverage. It's a lose lose for the DB's.

**False Start** · 10-13-2010

I thought TMQ stood for Toast Made Quarterly.

**silvrhand** · 10-13-2010

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Originally Posted by Rey

Yeah Pollard bit on that play, but McCain should have squeezed Nicks a little bit more...

As the writer said, there was no one else even around...Makes no sense to just stand there covering air...

If McCain would have squeezed the WR more into the next persons zone he would have been closer to make a play...But he didn't do that, so we end up sucking...again...

Sorry I totally disagree here the guy coming out in the flat in a zone like that would be the CB's responsibility. I have *NO* idea why pollard was on the goal line, he made the mistake it was pretty obvious he had no business being where he was. Hell even Demeco was deeper than he was in coverage..

**kiwitexansfan** · 10-14-2010

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Originally Posted by silvrhand

Sorry I totally disagree here the guy coming out in the flat in a zone like that would be the CB's responsibility. I have *NO* idea why pollard was on the goal line, he made the mistake it was pretty obvious he had no business being where he was. Hell even Demeco was deeper than he was in coverage..

HMMMMM, maybe because Pollard is a terrible cover safety?

**playa465** · 10-14-2010

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Originally Posted by BigBull17

We don't put our guys in a position to be good. We lack any form of creativity. Our line backers blitz worse than just about anybody, save Cushing. Diles and Demeco are horrible blitzers. Nading can be blocked with harsh language. Cody is a run stuffer. A Smith can rush from the DT spot, but can't play there for the whole game. Mario is the only guy you have to account for, so teams are putting alot of people on him and wearing him down. Our safeties are average in coverage. It's a lose lose for the DB's.

10-13-2010	#1
kiwitexansfan Bring Him Back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Age: 35 Posts: 7,904 Rep Power: 7242	McCain stars in TMQ Sour Play of the Week: Jersey/A leading the Houston Texans 14-0, the New York Giants faced third-and-4 on the Moo Cows' 12. Eli Manning is starting to look for Hakeem Nicks at the goal line and had already thrown him a short touchdown pass. Nickelback Brice McCain lined up across from Nicks in a weird "inside technique" stance, facing the center of the field. Corners who line up this way are conceding the sideline but being sure of stopping a down-and-in. At least that's what's supposed to happen. Nicks ran a down-and-in -- and McCain just stood there watching as the uncovered Nicks scored a touchdown. There was no one else in McCain's area for him to worry about. When you line up specifically to stop a down-and-in, then stand watching that very pattern run for a touchdown, that is seriously sour. Nicks was covered by no one despite Houston dropping seven into coverage against four receivers and having only a small area of the field to defend. The Texans are last in the league in passing defense. LINK __________________ All random posts made entirely of smilies courtesy of kiwitexansfanjr -age 4

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buddyboy All Pro Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 762 Rep Power: 4816	Re: McCain stars in TMQ Was this the play where Pollard bit on the RB running the flat?

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Rey Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 11,994 Rep Power: 48885	Re: McCain stars in TMQ Yeah Pollard bit on that play, but McCain should have squeezed Nicks a little bit more... As the writer said, there was no one else even around...Makes no sense to just stand there covering air... If McCain would have squeezed the WR more into the next persons zone he would have been closer to make a play...But he didn't do that, so we end up sucking...again...

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HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,509 Rep Power: 18935	Re: McCain stars in TMQ So, the whole D was SUPPOSED to be covering Nicks on that play. __________________

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gtexan02 Working? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Age: 29 Posts: 15,336 Rep Power: 34917	Re: McCain stars in TMQ Down 21-0, 3 points does very little. We were getting shellacked by that time, and had been moving the ball. Had we gone for it and gotten it, it could have changed the entire game. Kicking a FG is a mental victory for the NYG __________________ Adios until next season. See you then

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Brisco_County Texans worthy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Austin Posts: 1,759 Rep Power: 12294	Re: McCain stars in TMQ Begs the question: Personnel or DB coach?

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False Start On # 69 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waiting For the Turning Point! Section: 420 Posts: 12,160 Rep Power: 29017	Re: McCain stars in TMQ I thought TMQ stood for Toast Made Quarterly. __________________ RIP DIMEBAG DARRELL - 1966-2004 - GETCHA PULL! CLIFF BURTON - 1962-1986 - CLIFF EM' ALL! MMO JWO

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