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Old 10-09-2010   #1
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Default The Giants' Sack Machine: Paper Tiger or Reality?

The Dallas Morning News ran this AP piece about the upcoming Texans game.

I'll put my money on the Paper Tiger..........and Paper Tigers burn easily.

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10/09/2010
By CHRIS DUNCAN / Associated Press


Gary Kubiak has been worrying all week.

As soon as the Houston Texans returned from a win at Oakland last Sunday, general manager Rick Smith gave the coach an alarming update: The Giants had put up nine sacks in the first half of a 17-3 win over Chicago and knocked Bears quarterback Jay Cutler out of the game with a concussion. Every starter on New York's defensive line wound up with at least one sack and ends Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora finished with three apiece.

The next guy in the Giants' crosshairs? Texans quarterback Matt Schaub.

"It's scary," Kubiak said. "What they did in that game hasn't been done too many times in this league. They can get after you, they can cause a lot of problems."

The Texans (3-1) think their versatile offense is better equipped than the Bears' pass-oriented system to handle the intimidating defensive front of the Giants (2-2).

But still.

Schaub has been sacked 11 times in the first four games second-most in the league along with Kyle Orton and Michael Vick though the Raiders didn't get to him last weekend.

Even with the sacks, Houston ranks second in the league in total offense (415.5 yards per game) and has put up big numbers both running and passing, though usually not in the same game. The Texans said the Bears and offensive coordinator Mike Martz were too predictable in their play-calling and it cost them against New York.

"Defensive linemen in this league are not stupid. They know what's going on," Houston left tackle Rashad Butler said. "They knew the Bears were going to throw the ball 40-plus times a game. I'm pretty sure after a while they weren't even trying to play the run."

Houston will test the Giants with the NFL's leading rusher, Arian Foster, and the league's top rushing offense (172 yards per game). New York's defense ranks 22nd in stopping the run (117.2 yards per game), and let Tennessee's Chris Johnson rush for 125 yards and two touchdowns in a 29-10 loss two weeks ago.

The Texans are less certain about the status of star receiver Andre Johnson, who missed last week's 31-24 win in Oakland with a sprained right ankle. Johnson sat out Wednesday's practice, but Kubiak was optimistic that Johnson will play against New York.

Giants coach Tom Coughlin said his defense showed major progress in limiting the Bears to 110 yards and six first downs. The defense has been learning a new scheme under first-year coordinator Perry Fewell.

"We just caution them to remember now that it's just getting started," Coughlin said. "We applied the plan, we executed the plan. Some of the things that we thought we could do we did very well, we did them with consistency, we did them over four quarters."

Coughlin has injury concerns on the offensive side.

Running back Ahmad Bradshaw, who rushed for 129 yards against Chicago, sat out Wednesday's practice with an ankle injury. And the offensive line has been shuffled a bit with center Shaun O'Hara unlikely to play due to an ankle injury. His backup, Adam Koets, sustained a mild knee strain against the Bears and left guard Rich Seubert moved over to play center this week. Tackle David Diehl took Seubert's spot and Shawn Andrews replaced Diehl.

That line will face an improving Houston defense. The Texans sacked Oakland's Bruce Gradkowski four times last week, with defensive end Antonio Smith getting two.

Giants quarterback Eli Manning had planned to talk to his older brother about attacking the Houston defense. Peyton Manning threw for 433 yards and three touchdowns in the Colts' season-opening loss to the Texans.

"They've got a number of great players with great speed up the field," Eli Manning said. "Especially if their offense can get a lead, those athletic defensive ends and defensive tackles are going to fly up the field and make it tough. We need to mix in ways to get the ball out quickly while also getting a chance to get the ball down the field."

The Texans should get a boost with the return of linebacker Brian Cushing after a four-game drug suspension. Cushing had 133 tackles, four sacks and four interceptions last season to win the 2009 Defensive Rookie of the Year award, and the Texans think he will help both the pass rush and a secondary that's allowing a league-worst 338 yards passing per game.

"I don't look at myself as a savior or anything, but I definitely think I can add a lot," Cushing said. "I can add a lot of attitude, I can add a lot of just speed. It's not a pressure on me, it's something I expect out of myself."
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Default Re: The Giants' Sack Machine: Paper Tiger or Reality?

Dallas Morning News running another article on the Texans? Whoa!
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Martz predictable??
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well 'the texans' said it... nebulous writing.
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Dallas Morning News running another article on the Texans? Whoa!
Well you know the Arlington crowd, being 1-2, is looking for some help from us to knock off their divisional competition. So naturally, they're very interested in this game.
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Well you know the Arlington crowd, being 1-2, is looking for some help from us to knock off their divisional competition. So naturally, they're very interested in this game.
As we are in their game this week.
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Default Re: The Giants' Sack Machine: Paper Tiger or Reality?

Sure are a lot of ankle injuries in the league this year.... Almost some kind of trend.
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Default Re: The Giants' Sack Machine: Paper Tiger or Reality?

I wonder if all 53 players and coaches in unison said that the Bears were predictable.
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Martz predictable??
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That was the reason he was fired in San Fran a few years ago, he almost refuses to run the ball. So yes the DL knows it's a pass and they can pin their ears back and go after the QB.

Also Marx's offenses have always been among the most sacked and QB hit teams in the league, he tries to block with just 5 guys most of the time.
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Sure are a lot of ankle injuries in the league this year.... Almost some kind of trend.
Wonder if it has anything to do with the emphasis in the avoidance of penalties for high hits which are more likely to be called for helmet hits or hitting a "defenseless" player.

Furthermore, the average NFL players' weights and heights are increasing every year. Torque thus becomes even more augmented and transfered to the knee and ankle joints. The thing about the knee joint is that exercise can compensate by developing the large stabilizing muscle groups (quads/hams). There are very much smaller muscle groups in the lower leg, of which development does not effectively compensate the extra forces transfered to the ankle joint. The ligaments of the ankle stabilizing the toe up and toe down movements are very strong. However, the ligaments of the ankle stabilizing the lateral/medial (inversion/eversion side-to-side) planes are the weakest of the major joints......and these are the ones almost always involved, especially in high ankle sprains.
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I wonder if all 53 players and coaches in unison said that the Bears were predictable.
I predicted that everyone was going to say that the Bear's playcalling was predictable.
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Kubiak is playing the Giants. He is not anymore fearful of their pass rush than he was of the Colts, or Cowboys or the SS blitz happy Redskins.

Not saying that they don't have good players up front, but a lot of the sacks Matt has taken have come because he was holding onto the ball too long and standing pat in the pocket.

Last week we moved Matt around a bit more and he also did a good job of getting rid of the ball when nothing was there.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the most sacks the Giants will get is 3...And I doubt they'll get that...

Personally I'm looking for another shut-out.
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I predicted that everyone was going to predict that everyone was going to say that the Bears playcalling was predictable.
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I wonder if all 53 players and coaches in unison said that the Bears were predictable.
I know right.

Seems like lazy reporting or someone just adding their own ideas to the story.
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The ligaments of the ankle stabilizing the toe up and toe down movements are very strong. However, the ligaments of the ankle stabilizing the lateral/medial (inversion/eversion side-to-side) planes are the weakest of the major joints......and these are the ones almost always involved, especially in high ankle sprains.
That's interesting stuff.

I guess it's possible that strength training helps with ligament and tendon conditioning somewhat, but I bet that doesn't nearly keep up with the corresponding increase in muscle size. All that scientifically-increased muscle mass generates more speed and acceleration, but that energy has to be dissipated somewhere. Sometimes it's dissipated in the wrong spot.
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Even though we may be weakened at WR today, I believe that we will find that the strength of the Giants' pass rush has been greatly exagerrated and that their secondary is more banged up than they can compensate...........Schaub lights it up........when Foster isn't running it up the gut.

It will be our D that determines our fate.
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The Dallas Morning News ran this AP piece about the upcoming Texans game.

I'll put my money on the Paper Tiger..........and Paper Tigers burn easily.
The Giants play fast and aggressive on defense.
They like to go after the passer, but they will probably tone done a bit against us.
Their interior lines on both sides of the ball are at most average.

I agree with TPN that we can run well on them (knock on wood).

I hope to see our O mixing it up to take away their aggressiveness byforcing the Giants to chase themselves ragged all over the field.
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