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Old 10-06-2010   #1
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Default What would it take to run a 3-4 defense?

Not gonna happen. But for fun, lets say Cowher comes here in 2011 and wants to run a 3-4 defense.

Who would fit. Who would be out, and what would be needed to bring in?

With a strong linebackers core they should be able to transition fairly easily. The front 3 are the concern.
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Default Re: What would it take to run a 3-4 defense?

You have to either have a huge fat ****, or make sure your 2 ends are beefy. I think we have the Lb's. You also have to have pretty solid secondary play to let you open it up.
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Default Re: What would it take to run a 3-4 defense?

We dont have a NT.

But Mario and Smith on the Ends, with Okoye being a decent (maybe) backup.

LB- Cushing and Barwin on the outside, Diles and Ryans in the middle.

I could live with this, actually it is more exciting than our 4-3. But a NT is needed in a bad way.
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Default Re: What would it take to run a 3-4 defense?

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Not gonna happen. But for fun, lets say Cowher comes here in 2011 and wants to run a 3-4 defense.

Who would fit. Who would be out, and what would be needed to bring in?

With a strong linebackers core they should be able to transition fairly easily. The front 3 are the concern.
Well you need a OLB that is more built to blitz, I think Barwin fits the bill nicely when healthy. You need Lbers that can cover the middle. I think we have a strong 4-3 LBing corps but, a weak 3-4 LBing corps. I think like Cushing, Ryans, and Sharpton and Adibi battling for the final spot as our starters along with Barwin. Much as I like Diles as a 3-4 Lber you got to have sideline to sideline speed, he just doesn't have it.

Also would have to have one big body in the middle, DelJuan might fit that role. Smith and Williams would make good 3-4 DEs, but if you ask me I think Mario is a much better fit as a 4-3 DE. We'd also have to get bigger at DE behind those two.

I wouldn't see a huge change in how the secondary is composed.
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We dont have a NT.

But Mario and Smith on the Ends, with Okoye being a decent (maybe) backup.

LB- Cushing and Barwin on the outside, Diles and Ryans in the middle.

I could live with this, actually it is more exciting than our 4-3. But a NT is needed in a bad way.
Cushing and Barwin would be pretty good at OLB.
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Default Re: What would it take to run a 3-4 defense?

We're 3-1 and talking about getting a new head coach and a complete overhaul of our entire defensive system?

Oh no!

But seriously, I dont want us to transition to a 3-4 because I feel it wastes a lot of Marios potential. Hes your perfect 4-3 DE.
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Default Re: What would it take to run a 3-4 defense?

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Not gonna happen. But for fun, lets say Cowher comes here in 2011 and wants to run a 3-4 defense.

Who would fit. Who would be out, and what would be needed to bring in?

With a strong linebackers core they should be able to transition fairly easily. The front 3 are the concern.
Antonio - ???? - Mario

Cush - Sharpton - Demeco - Diles/Adibi/Bing/Barwin

The biggest problem would be the NT. We don't have someone that can really play that spot. Okam would probably be closest but he doesn't play well enough.

There would be a dogfight for the other outside LB spot opposite Cush. Right now, it would go to Diles but when Bing and Barwin come back from IR, they'd be pushing for that spot because they'd be better rushing the passer, I think.

I think Cody, Okoye, and Mitchell would have problems fitting in.
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Default Re: What would it take to run a 3-4 defense?

I think you'd need to draft or sign another rush type OLB. Cushing would work but he/Ryans would be a lethal combo protecting the middle with someone more like Barwin outside. Frankly that's all you would need. Between Mario and Smith there isn't a lack of size without a 350+ NT, so Okoye/Cody/Okam would be fine as a rotation. There especially wouldn't be a lack of size if you add Cush/Barwin/possibly the other drafted OLB in this hypothetical.

So you have something like this:
ASmith - Okoye - Mario
OLB - Cushing - Ryans - Barwin
Jackson - Pollard - Nolan - Quin

And you would need a coach who knew what to do with all that talent.

Actually, the Texans ran a bit of 3/4 with Barwin really giving them an element of surprise. They ran it effectively in the preseason lining up like this:

ASmith - Cody - Okoye
Barwin - Cushing - Ryans - Mario
Jackson - Pollard - Wilson - Quin
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Like everyone else is saying, we'd first need to get a big ass NT. Cody or Okam may fill in, but they wouldn't be a permanent solution.

You can expect Mario to demand a trade. He's a prototypical 4-3 DE. Remember how Kampman didn't like the transition in GB and wanted out? Expect the same thing.

I actually think Okoye would be a good 3-4 DE. Smith would do good as well.

Like others have mentioned, I'd like to see Barwin as the 4th LB that rushes the passer.
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Default Re: What would it take to run a 3-4 defense?

Hypothetically, do any of you think Mario could transfer to a 3-4 OLB? He might have to drop a couple pounds but i honestly couldn't see him being a 3-4 DE.
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I think you'd need to draft or sign another rush type OLB. Cushing would work but he/Ryans would be a lethal combo protecting the middle with someone more like Barwin outside. Frankly that's all you would need. Between Mario and Smith there isn't a lack of size without a 350+ NT, so Okoye/Cody/Okam would be fine as a rotation. There especially wouldn't be a lack of size if you add Cush/Barwin/possibly the other drafted OLB in this hypothetical.

So you have something like this:
ASmith - Okoye - Mario
OLB - Cushing - Ryans - Barwin
Jackson - Pollard - Nolan - Quin

And you would need a coach who knew what to do with all that talent.

Actually, the Texans ran a bit of 3/4 with Barwin really giving them an element of surprise. They ran it effectively in the preseason lining up like this:

ASmith - Cody - Okoye
Barwin - Cushing - Ryans - Mario
Jackson - Pollard - Wilson - Quin
Yeah, Cushing would be a Mike LB if we didn't have Demeco. He is a leader, smart, and a tough cookie. Mario would be ok at times as an OLB, but he is a little too big. Smith didn't fit as a 3-4 end.
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Hypothetically, do any of you think Mario could transfer to a 3-4 OLB? He might have to drop a couple pounds but i honestly couldn't see him being a 3-4 DE.
I couldn't see him as a 3-4 DE either and I think it'd be a huge waste of his ability. I think you'd almost HAVE to stand him up and have him play OLB. Maybe Okoye and Mitchell as the 3-4 DEs and bring in some huge fat ass run stopper for the DT.

I think Houston is pretty well built to run 4-3, though, and would hate to see it change any time soon.
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Yeah, Cushing would be a Mike LB if we didn't have Demeco. He is a leader, smart, and a tough cookie. Mario would be ok at times as an OLB, but he is a little too big. Smith didn't fit as a 3-4 end.
I don't believe Mario's size is what hampers his ability as a 3/4 guy. It's his coverage skills (or lack of). He would be asked to drop more than he does now which is maybe once or twice a game MAYBE. Honestly, I think he has the capability to do it, he's just worked so long on being a hand down guy. He works standing up pretty well, he just doesn't do it much.

Smith would be a pretty awesome 3/4 end if you ask me. He and Okoye (and COdy as the biggin' NT) are the front when they flash a 3/4 out there.
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We're 3-1 and talking about getting a new head coach and a complete overhaul of our entire defensive system?

Oh no!

But seriously, I dont want us to transition to a 3-4 because I feel it wastes a lot of Marios potential. Hes your perfect 4-3 DE.
Well said !
Things are going well, actually I guess they're going better than ever given
the Texans have never been at 3-1 before. So why on earth would somebody want to even speculate about bringing in another coach and changing the defensive/offensive system right now ?
For Christ's sake, lets give Kubiak the benefit of the doubt atleast for the time being. I think he's earned it.
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I don't believe Mario's size is what hampers his ability as a 3/4 guy. It's his coverage skills (or lack of). He would be asked to drop more than he does now which is maybe once or twice a game MAYBE. Honestly, I think he has the capability to do it, he's just worked so long on being a hand down guy. He works standing up pretty well, he just doesn't do it much.

Smith would be a pretty awesome 3/4 end if you ask me. He and Okoye (and COdy as the biggin' NT) are the front when they flash a 3/4 out there.
I thought Smith left Zona cause he was ill suited for a 3-4. I think Mario would be pretty good in a 3-4. either as a lb or an end. He is decent in coverage, no worse than Diles...
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Default Re: What would it take to run a 3-4 defense?

I kind of like the whole 4-3 and 3-4 combo. Gives different looks to worry about.
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5-techniques would be Okoye, Antonio, Nading, & Mario (when Barwin rushes)

0-techniques would be Okam, Cody and on 3rd downs Okoye and Mitchell

The SAM OLB would be Cush every down

The inside MIKE would be Demeco and the inside WILL would be Diles

The WILL or blindside rush OLB would be Mario primarily & Barwin (Mario to 3 tech)

I don't know why Cowher needs to be here, Bush isn't married to the 4-3 we already run a lot of this.
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NOTICE: For those that are getting their panties in a wad. I am not saying lets do it. I said this is just for fun. Something to talk about in the middle of a loooong week.

So it sounds like the front 3 are the problem with only A. Smith fitting in at DE. But I do think Mario is pretty good against the run and double teams, so I think he would fit too. Everyone else isnt a fit, or isnt good enough to start.

Probably would set the org back a year or 2 as we draft the right players. While hoping our offense can just outscore everyone ala the Packers of the past couple of years. A couple of these guys could get the ball rolling.

Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
Jared Crick, DE/DT, Nebraska
Jerrell Powe, NT, Ole Miss
Akeem Ayers, DE/OLB, UCLA
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