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Old 03-24-2005   #1
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I know this is probably stupid, but if you were EA Sports, what would you rate the Texans starting lineup (projected) and overall?

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QB: David Carr - 82
HB: Dom. Davis - 82
FB: Morran Norris - 70
WR: Andre Johnson - 90
WR: Jabar Gaffney (?) - 76
LT: Seth Wand - 74
LG: Chester Pitts - 72
C: Steve McKinney - 73
RG: Zach Wiegert - 73
RT: Todd Wade - 79
TE: Billy Miller - 75

DEF:
LE: Gary Walker - 75
NT: Seth Payne - 79
RE: Robaire Smith - 77
LOLB: Jason Babin - 79
BLB: Morlon Greenwood - 75
MLB: Jamie Sharper - 84
ROLB: Kailee Wong - 79
LCB: Aaron Glenn - 77
RCB: Dunta Robinson - 87
SS: Glen Earl - 74
FS: Marcus Coleman - 84

I guess I would put Offense at something like 77
Defense at something like 78?

what do you guys think?? (Feel free to include some projected rookies too!!)
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PS: Please try to make this unbiased. As much as I'd love to put carr as a high 80's qb, he just doesnt have the numbers yet. Same goes for DD. He does well in most games, but those inconsistent games really hurt his rating. Andre could be moved to a 92 probably.
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If u talking about Madden.

I would say:

QB- David Carr-88
RB- Domanick Davis 83
FB- Moran Norris 77

LT- Seth Wand 77
LG- Chester Pitts 79
C- Steve Mckinney 78
RG- Zach Wiergert 80
RT- Todd Wade 85

WR- Andre Johnson 90
WR- Troy Willamson 80
TE- Bennie Joppru 75

LE- Gary Walker 70
NT- Seth Payne 81
RE- Robaire Smith 85

ROLB- Demarcus Ware 78
MLB- Kaillee Wong 82
MLB- Morlon Greenwood 83
LOLB- Jason Babin 81

CB- Aaron Glenn 88
CB- Dunta Robinson 87
FS- Marcus Coleman 86
SS- Glenn Earl 79

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I think your ratings are a little high, but I realized that mine are a little low. here's how I would change yours:

QB- David Carr-83 (down from 88)
RB- Domanick Davis 83
FB- Moran Norris 74 (down from 77)

LT- Seth Wand 78 (up from 77)
LG- Chester Pitts 77 (down from 79)
C- Steve Mckinney 78
RG- Zach Wiergert 80
RT- Todd Wade 85

WR- Andre Johnson 92 (up from 90)
WR- Troy Willamson 80
TE- Bennie Joppru 75

ROLB- Kailee Wong 82 (changed)
MLB- Antwaan Peek 80
MLB- Morlon Greenwood 81 (down from 83)
LOLB- Jason Babin 84 (up from 81)

CB- Aaron Glenn 83 (down from 88)
CB- Dunta Robinson 87
FS- Marcus Coleman 86
SS- Glenn Earl 79
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I don't think Antwaan Peek will play MLB, if he has his head straight and matured we won't have to draft a ROLB, but we will see come draft day. But im 99 percent sure Peek won't be starting at MLB.
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haha na i doubt peek will be our ILB either, if anything i figure wong will move back inside with Green Wood and babin and peek will play outside !
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Hes too much speed and too little brains at this point to really stop and read the defense.

Not knocking his Intelligence. Hes Still raw and hungry to make a difference.

He is a young guy so id like him at ROLB with instructions to go get the ball.
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QB Carr - 86
RB Davis - 84
FB Morris - 79
WR Johnson - 90
WR Gaffney - 82
LT Wand - 79
LG Pitts - 83
C McKinney - 77
RG Wiegert - 85
RT Wade - 86

LE Walker - 78
NT Payne - 83
RE Smith - 85
LOLB Babins - 81
ILB Wong - 85
ILB Greenwood - 79
ROLB Peek - 78
CB Glenn - 87
CB Robinson - 86
FS Coleman - 87
SS Earl - 78
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id say fminus is the closest to realistic.
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Interesting topic.

I am not going to rate every player but I expect the Texans will be rated around 81-82 overall. They are a team on the cusp of the playoffs and ready to hopefully make a break through.
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I'd say that they are more like in the 85-86, since most of the pieces are in place.
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QB Carr - 87
RB Davis - 74
FB Morris - 69
WR Johnson - 92
WR Gaffney - 83
LT Wand - 74
LG Pitts - 86
C McKinney - 76
RG Wiegert - 82
RT Wade - 83

LE Walker - 79
NT Payne - 83
RE Smith - 82
LOLB Babins - 83
ILB Wong - 85
ILB Greenwood - 79
ROLB Peek - 76
CB Glenn - 87
CB Robinson - 83
FS Coleman - 80
SS Earl - 78
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QB Carr - 87
RB Davis - 86
FB Morris - 72
WR Johnson - 93
WR Gaffney - 81
LT Wand - 74
LG Pitts - 83
C McKinney - 80
RG Wiegert - 82
RT Wade - 83

LE Walker - 82
NT Payne - 83
RE Smith - 80
LOLB Babin - 83
ROLB-ILB (Depends on Sharper) Wong - 85
ILB Greenwood - 79
ILB Sharper (If he stays) - 92
ROLB Peek - 77
CB Glenn - 86
CB Robinson - 88
FS Coleman - 88
SS Earl - 77
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QB Carr-87 (was 86 in madden 05
RB Davis-88 (was 85)
FB Norris-77 (was 72)
TE Miller-81 (was 85)
WR1 Johnson-92 (was 85)
WR2 Gaffney-81 (was 80)
WR3 Parrish-74 (Rookie) (2nd round pick)
LT Wand-76 (was 72)
LG Pitts-81 (was 78)
CMcKinney-86 (was 87)
RG Wiegert-82 (was 79)
RT Wade-89 (was 85)

LE M. Spears-84 (rookie) (1st round pick)
NT Payne-88 (was 87)
RE Smith-90 (was 86)
LOLB Babin-79 (was 74)
MLB Grennwood-86 (not sure)
MLB Sharper-94 (was 96)
ROLB Peek-80 (was 77)
CB Gleen-92 (was 94)
CB Robinson-89 (was 81)
FS Coleman-85 (was 89)
SS Earl-77 (was 69)

K Brown-85 (same)
P Stanley-86 (same)

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Based on last yrs performance Wiegert and Wade are over rated in all of the above.
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Based on last yrs performance Wiegert and Wade are over rated in all of the above.

McKinney was our highest rated o-lineman with an 89 rating.
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I think that Texan281 underated R smith and greenwood other than that other than that he hit it right on the dot
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we can rate all we want, but the fact of the matter is we could have 53 players that all have a rating of 99 and unless they play as one unit/a team we wont win.
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Houston Texans OFF: 85 DEF: 85 OVR: 85

QUARTERBACK
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL CAR JMP BTK TPW TAC STM INJ TGH
David Carr 87 66 60 79 62 68 40 49 48 94 88 90 91 84
Tony Banks 72 49 60 75 56 48 33 51 51 88 76 88 78 72
Dave Ragone 71 58 63 68 55 57 55 44 48 87 78 82 82 62
B.J. Symons 64
Preston Parsons 57 54 55 47 50 50 47 42 45 86 72 75 70 64

RUNNING BACK
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL CTH CAR JMP BTK PBL RBL KRT STM INJ TGH
Domanick Davis 86 91 68 75 92 92 82 82 71 82 30 30 70 86 84 85
Jonathan Wells 77 87 66 73 85 87 65 78 61 79 28 31 40 84 84 65
Tony Hollings 73 90 65 63 87 91 65 72 59 71 24 23 70 75 60 66
Jason Anderson
Adam Matthews

FULLBACK
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL CTH CAR JMP BTK PBL RBL KRT STM INJ TGH
Moran Norris 74 72 69 55 71 82 64 72 64 72 45 55 5 86 76 65
Jarrod Baxter

WIDE RECEIVER
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL CTH CAR JMP BTK KRT STM INJ TGH
Andre Johnson 90 92 67 80 90 93 92 62 92 66 66 89 84 83
Jabar Gaffney 81 85 46 75 92 90 88 54 84 42 66 95 81 83
Derrick Armstrong 77 90 44 67 86 89 84 50 82 50 70 79 80 70
J.J. Moses 66 92 43 60 87 88 66 62 78 42 90 85 85 75
Kendrick Starling 65 90 43 45 84 88 72 70 78 51 71 78 84 67
Nick Narcisse
Allen Suber
Sloan Thomas

TIGHT END
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL CTH CAR JMP BTK PBL RBL KRT STM INJ TGH
Billy Miller 80 76 65 75 73 79 80 66 79 65 51 55 0 87 85 67
Mark Bruener 79 56 78 82 59 54 60 70 59 65 73 77 8 82 75 91
Bennie Joppru 73 71 65 62 75 75 74 65 76 65 52 57 8 79 72 77
Matt Murphy 60 66 64 55 62 68 60 59 59 55 57 59 8 88 76 79
Byran Pittman 53 50 73 47 45 49 56 60 58 62 55 64 0 74 73 77

TACKLE
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL PBL RBL STM INJ TGH
Todd Wade 86 49 94 82 45 70 87 93 61 84 90
Seth Wand 77 50 89 66 49 66 86 88 70 81 74
Chad Beasley 63 43 86 60 42 47 76 79 59 82 88
Garrick Jones 58 47 82 47 44 45 76 80 67 80 80

GUARD
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL PBL RBL STM INJ TGH
Zach Weigert 86 51 88 85 50 77 83 88 57 63 91
Chester Pitts 81 56 90 73 54 64 85 86 60 84 70
Milford Brown 72 48 86 68 39 60 80 84 71 80 91
Fred Weary 70 52 85 59 51 62 80 81 64 69 75
Brandon Evans
Casey Knutson

CENTER
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL PBL RBL STM INJ TGH
Steve McKinney 89 58 88 88 62 79 88 84 62 83 84
Todd Washington 77 55 88 68 50 75 82 82 59 79 76


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DEFENSIVE END
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL JMP BTK TKL STM INJ TGH
Gary Walker 87 64 91 90 60 70 62 30 87 82 76 89
Robaire Smith 85 63 89 77 58 73 46 28 88 72 78 84
Corey Sears 73 63 81 62 57 75 42 14 76 62 72 69
Junior Ioane 66 52 89 66 50 54 45 26 80 63 74 72
Jason Davis 60 62 78 49 61 64 47 23 64 67 79 70

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL JMP BTK TKL STM INJ TGH
Seth Payne 81 52 89 83 52 58 41 23 84 68 81 79
Jerry DeLoach 74 58 85 72 57 63 46 31 76 35 52 66

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL CTH JMP TKL STM INJ TGH
Kailee Wong 83 75 75 85 79 76 50 54 82 74 72 80
Jason Babin 76 76 73 67 78 86 50 64 79 80 86 88
Antwan Peek 75 80 74 64 77 82 49 65 79 78 86 75
Charlie Anderson 67 75 70 56 74 80 53 60 75 74 75 72
D.D. Acholonu
Tyreo Harrison
Tim Cheatwood
Anthony Dunn

MIDDLE LINEBACKER
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL CTH JMP TKL STM INJ TGH
Jamie Sharper 95 80 78 91 79 83 57 61 96 87 83 86
Morlon Greenwood 77 82 70 76 79 82 50 57 83 65 72 79
Zeke Moreno 75 76 69 77 73 79 58 62 82 75 64 75
Dashon Polk 67 72 64 69 77 78 47 57 78 68 79 68
Frank Chamberlin 63 64 78 62 62 60 41 54 80 67 76 76
Troy Evans 61 69 66 62 69 74 43 50 75 66 66 70
Quincy Monk 60 73 73 60 70 77 45 61 70 74 79 70
Shantee Orr
Dave Moretti
Antonio Rodriguez

CORNERBACK
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL CTH CAR JMP TKL KRT STM INJ TGH
Aaron Glenn 94 96 53 92 94 96 70 46 91 66 65 80 87 88
Dunta Robinson 83 96 51 64 95 97 73 43 85 64 30 91 89 88
DeMarcus Faggins 74 90 45 68 87 91 60 44 79 59 12 79 78 71
Lewis Sanders 70 86 49 64 83 84 60 34 85 60 10 79 72 70
Jason Bell

FREE SAFETY
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL CTH CAR JMP TKL KRT STM INJ TGH
Marcus Coleman 87 88 58 80 85 88 71 44 90 63 15 50 85 78
Jason Simmons 72 84 49 70 80 86 57 45 79 60 15 75 70 67
Jammal Lord
Eli Ward

STRONG SAFETY
OVR SPD STR AWR AGI ACL CTH CAR JMP TKL KRT STM INJ TGH
Glenn Earl 74 86 66 57 83 85 62 36 84 77 5 85 73 68
Ramon Walker 67 88 58 57 87 89 54 48 72 65 70 79 77 80
David Young

KICKER
OVR SPD AWR AGI ACL JMP KPW KAC STM INJ TGH
Kris Brown 84 44 78 45 49 32 90 88 85 85 38
Chris Snyder

PUNTER
OVR SPD AWR AGI ACL JMP KPW KAC STM INJ TGH
Chad Stanley 81 53 76 52 52 25 87 88 76 87 34
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