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Old 10-01-2010   #1
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Default VY is 28-15 all time in NFL as starter

However he is 6-11 vs teams .500 and above

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Default Re: VY is 24-14 all time in NFL as starter

This is just going to turn into a bash VY thread.


He's had many highs and many lows. It's hard to say what he'll do in the future. The remainder of this season should definitely tell us though.


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I like half of his avatar!
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Default Re: VY is 24-14 all time in NFL as starter

I'm not going to badmouth VY, because he always tends to disprove whatever I say about him.

hmmm....with that in mind, he's really one of the NFL's greats and his Hall of Fame career is amazing!
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The half that has horns on it?
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The half that has horns on it?
Yeah, bottom half sucks.
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Default Re: VY is 24-14 all time in NFL as starter

Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer won Super Bowls. Rex Grossman took his team to the Super Bowl. Kerry Collins has taken multiple teams to the playoffs. Jake Delhomme took his team to a Super Bowl. Neil O'Donnell took his team to a Super Bowl.

I mean, we can do this all day.
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The half that has horns on it?
Right, a certain half that has horns!!!
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This is just going to turn into a bash VY thread.


He's had many highs and many lows. It's hard to say what he'll do in the future. The remainder of this season should definitely tell us though.


PS. Love that new sig by the way.
You say that like it's a bad thing
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Default Re: VY is 24-14 all time in NFL as starter

Wins and losses are not QB stats.
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Default Re: VY is 24-14 all time in NFL as starter

This is like saying a pitcher with 15 wins is awesome without even considering his 5+ ERA, or in the case of Roy Oswalt, a pitcher with 6 wins and 11 losses sucks despite his ERA of 2.
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This is like saying a pitcher with 15 wins is awesome without even considering his 5+ ERA, or in the case of Roy Oswalt, a pitcher with 6 wins and 11 losses sucks despite his ERA of 2.
Yep. Just ask Felix Hernandez of the Mariners.
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Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer won Super Bowls. Rex Grossman took his team to the Super Bowl. Kerry Collins has taken multiple teams to the playoffs. Jake Delhomme took his team to a Super Bowl. Neil O'Donnell took his team to a Super Bowl.

I mean, we can do this all day.
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Default Re: VY is 24-14 all time in NFL as starter

Are you sure he has 14 losses? How can that be? All Vince does is win.
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Wins and losses are not QB stats.
The most simply stated and correct statement.

Archie Manning was 35 and 101 for his career. I'm thinking he managed to pass some wisdom on to his children. Maybe like go to a good team.
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Default Re: VY is 24-14 all time in NFL as starter

Matt Schaub is a better passing QB than VY and I am sure his starting W/L record against all teams and expecially .500 teams is alot worse than VY's.

QB's get too muych credit for the wins and too much blame for the losses.


VY is a football player, you cant dispute that.
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Default Re: VY is 24-14 all time in NFL as starter

The God-like worship is what produces the haterade, folks.

I hope he breaks both of his **** ing legs every time he plays. Nothing personal against Vince himself. It's these teassips that worship him like a God to this very day. It's the most rediculous thing I've ever seen.
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Default Re: VY is 24-14 all time in NFL as starter

The bigger question is do you think he is a good QB. I don't think he is. I don't see good QB's getting benched after a bad half. I think the W/L record has more to do with the Tacks running game and defense than VY.
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The bigger question is do you think he is a good QB. I don't think he is. I don't see good QB's getting benched after a bad half. I think the W/L record has more to do with the Tacks running game and defense than VY.
Do you think the Tacks would've turned things around after starting 0-6 had Collins continued as their starting QB?

I don't.

Did the schedule get any easier? Heck, we layed down on MNF when VY came to Reliant.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Sausage Boy, couldn't care less if he ever plays another game in the NFL. But until we beat him, it is better for us if people do believe in that "it" factor, otherwise we just suck.
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The most simply stated and correct statement.

Archie Manning was 35 and 101 for his career. I'm thinking he managed to pass some wisdom on to his children. Maybe like go to a good team.
All of that is true. Won't deny any of that.

VY has not been a good QB.

BUT, I would look at the Colts offense and the Saints defense last year (yes I reference these two things a lot).

Saints gave up a lot of yards but they made plays at opportune times...Colts couldn't run on a regular basis, but their offense was still effective despite that...If they needed to run to get into the endzone or get a first down they were able to do that for the most part...

Wins and losses don't solely belong to any one specific player, but could some of their success lie at VY's ability to make plays at opportune times? His overall play has been nothing to write home about, but he has made plays.

Again, not disagreeing with you all, just wanted to get your thoughts on that aspect?
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