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Old 09-29-2010   #1
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Default If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

OK, the secondary seems to suck (understatement of the year), especially with zero pass rush.

Before I go any further let me start with two words, Troy Nolan. This is obvious, Wilson has to go.

However what can be done with the rest of the guys realistically?

Some of it seems to be the cover two scheme, but does the roster fit another scheme? Is it all scheme, or all personell?

Should KJ be benched, and GQ, and Brice be the starters?

Where do Molden, and Mcmanis fit in at this point?

What are the odds Frank Bush pulls a rabbit out of his hat in week four until week 17 like he did last year with the pass the way he did the run?



Is there an outside chance that this was a fluke three weeks?

-Manning was excusable, Indy was behind the entire game and after all it was the Forehead playing....
-McNabb is a little more troubling as I think he's past his prime, and his recievers could keep the Skins under the Cap if there were one because part of their salary is from Social Freaking Security!!! This one hurts.
-Romo is somewhat understandable because he can put up big numbers at times, and he has a tone of weapons. What bothers me is they played horrible until they showed up at Reliant, and Roy Williams looked like a #1 WR for once.



I think we will learn a lot this week. The Raiders are running the ball well, so if we stop the run we could get exposed in the passing game. If Gradkowski puts 300 yards up, it may be time to panic! If we stiflle the run and the pass, maybe, just maybe it was a fluke to be that bad defending the pass for three straight games. Obviousley it won't be definative if we contain the Oakland passing attach, but at least it will be encouraging that we can stop something or someone. Otherwise we should just count on the Fed Ex Air Award to go to who ever plays the Texans each week.


Just wanted to verbalize all my thoughts. I know I have not provided any meanigful insight, but perhaps I'm playing the Watson to someones Holmes.....


By the way can we get a Frank Bush and/or David Gibbs face palm smiley?????


Edit: yes I know it should be "you're" in the title thread sorry.....
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

I would keep starting Kareem Jackson and Glover Quin at corner. I truly believe they both just need more experience, and the growing pains are what I expected, and most fans are just too impatient.

I like Troy Nolan, and would probably have him split time with Eugene Wilson just to see how he compares.

I'd also test out Molden in certain situations to see how he compares as well.
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

Kareem & Glover until the sun burns out. Sit Wilson and throw Nolan in there for a while. Possibly he takes off and keeps the job. Maybe it just motivates Wilson to play harder and smarter.

I think if you (meaning Gary, Frank, and Rick) are sure beyond a doubt that Kareem and Glover are your guys then you have to play them as long as it takes, barring a complete collapse in the secondary. If you aren't sure that they're your guys then why in the hell are we in the season without any reasonable alternatives?

I'd also start trying to work Molden into the mix to see if there's any good reason to keep him past this season.
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

I think something needs to be done with Molden. He has all this potential and yet we never see him on the field, mainly due to injuries. I'm tired of him wasting a roster spot without really contributing much. Maybe he does more then I actually notice, but I would like to see him get thrown in there, see what he can do, and then make a decision on him.
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

I've been thinking that we might want to start Pollard and Cushing at the CB spots. I'd tell them to knock the shit out of the WR at the LOS. A WR can't run a route if he's laying on the ground trying to remember his name.
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

You fix the secondary by firing Bob McNair.
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

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OK, the secondary seems to suck (understatement of the year), especially with zero pass rush.

Before I go any further let me start with two words, Troy Nolan. This is obvious, Wilson has to go.

However what can be done with the rest of the guys realistically?
Realistically, I'd keep doing what we're doing. Looked like more Nickle, & we gave up less than 300 yards passing. 36% on third down. Miles Austin 2 catches for 20 yards. So there is some good stuff happening here, some good to work with.

GQ is our best corner. Keep him on the 1s.
KJ only made a few mistakes work on those, keep throwing him out there.
Molden.... activate him. McCain is a fine corner, Dallas' receivers are too big, too physical. Molden should have been in the game period.

I'd also think about using 6 DBs at times. Bring both Barber & Pollard in the box, Drop Molden & Nolan as my safeties.
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

Cushing and Ryans at the LB spots.

Use the open spot for a nickel d-back: Make Jackson the nickel back in that scenario, slide in McCain at the CB spot that Jackson vacates.

I think KJ needs to get some confidence, and putting him out there by himself is not exactly working well for us right now. You let him play nickel so that he can basically get in on plays and ballhawk. That's what he does well. But he can't do that, IMO, because he's freaking out and overthinking things to the point that he doesn't want to try and "play"...he seems, to me, to want to stay safe and try to not get burned.

Pollard stays at Strong Safety, but Eugene needs to sit some plays out. At this point, Frank Bush has gotta' make an impression and change up the Free Safety duties...for the sake of the team's psyche. Those other guys are busting their butts in camp and in preseason for two reasons: Payday and playday. You have to let some of those other guys get their shots at this point. You never know who just might step up and deliver.

That's my big gripe about the Kubiak-led Texans. He's always wayyyyy too slow to demand a HUGE change in the depth chart. There's like this magical 3-game window with Kubiak, whereby you're going to see the same lineup for the first three games come Hell or high water.

I mean, good grief! Make a change. Make a change every other possession until you find a guy who wants to win that spot and make plays. Show them that anybody can get a shot if they just loosen up and play, instead of having the paralysis by analysis (thinking instead of reacting).
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I'd also think about using 6 DBs at times. Bring both Barber & Pollard in the box, Drop Molden & Nolan as my safeties.
So does that mean we go with a 3-man defensive line?

Mario, Smith, and Amobi.

Cushing and Ryans.

And the 6 DB formation you mentioned? That totals 11.

3-2-6 (using Cushing and Ryans more in the role of extra d-linemen, to thwart the run and cover the stuff that slips by the 3 linemen.). That would mean we could effectively use DBs to double-team two of a team's receivers, leaving two safeties to roam and cover, too. Or only double ONE of the receivers, and use zone or man on the others. Man, we could double the TE with a couple of those DBs and really allow Cushing and Ryans to make hay out there (since they wouldn't have to shadow the TE and potentially get outran).

Seems like an exotic lineup that might really throw a wrench in the opposing team's passing game. You could keep lots of stuff, such as draw plays and slants IN FRONT OF YOU--big time--if we went to that sort of lineup.
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

You know how you help a young secondary.. GET PRESSURE on the QB, I don't care if you have to take your helmet off and throw it at the QB, get him uncomfortable, find a way to hit him and get his timing off period..
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Seems like an exotic lineup that might really throw a wrench in the opposing team's passing game. You could keep lots of stuff, such as draw plays and slants IN FRONT OF YOU--big time--if we went to that sort of lineup.
Just seems like an exotic way to keep the QB back there all day passing.. 3 man fronts are not going to get pressure on the QB..
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

Now that Barwin is out it means if Mario has an off day (like last week), QBs are gonna have ample time to throw the ball... until Cushing returns.
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

As suggested in the other thread, use Slayton as trade bait with Green Bay.
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

Step 1. Sit Wilson down.
Step 2. McCain is the new FS, his speed will allow the defense to have it's centerfielder. Help will be "over the top" and not "to the side 15 yards away".
Step 3. Nolan/Barber tag in for Pollard in 3rd/long.
Step 4. Molden/McMannis/Wall battle it out for nickelback. If Molden gets hurt he gets cut.
Step 5. Keep corners within 5 yards of the LOS at all times. Safeties within 30
Step 6. Knock the piss outta somebody!!!
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

Ideally, you (1) make a trade for a starting CB and (2) move Quin to FS.

Realistically, you probably replace Wilson with Barber and/or Nolan and give Molden some more playing time.

What I found interesting was that they opted to sign Paymah over bringing Reeves back in. Maybe Paymah can provide some return.
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So does that mean we go with a 3-man defensive line?

Mario, Smith, and Amobi.

Cushing and Ryans.

And the 6 DB formation you mentioned? That totals 11.

3-2-6 (using Cushing and Ryans more in the role of extra d-linemen, to thwart the run and cover the stuff that slips by the 3 linemen.). That would mean we could effectively use DBs to double-team two of a team's receivers, leaving two safeties to roam and cover, too. Or only double ONE of the receivers, and use zone or man on the others. Man, we could double the TE with a couple of those DBs and really allow Cushing and Ryans to make hay out there (since they wouldn't have to shadow the TE and potentially get outran).

Seems like an exotic lineup that might really throw a wrench in the opposing team's passing game. You could keep lots of stuff, such as draw plays and slants IN FRONT OF YOU--big time--if we went to that sort of lineup.
Wow, you put more thought into than I did. That sounds interesting to me.

I was thinking more for the next game against Oakland only. Cushing is out & our LBs can't cover. I would keep the 4 man front, Demeco at MLB. Barber & Pollard would play as undersized LBs who cover better than our LBs. Quin is still on the one. KJ is on the twos. Molden (because of his size) is our SS, Nolan is our FS.

Pollard would stay at or around the line, Barber, Nolan, & Molden would really be interchangeable.
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Just seems like an exotic way to keep the QB back there all day passing.. 3 man fronts are not going to get pressure on the QB..
In his scenario, Cushing & Ryans would play OLB.. it would be like a 3-4, with Pollard & Barber on the inside.
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In his scenario, Cushing & Ryans would play OLB.. it would be like a 3-4, with Pollard & Barber on the inside.
Still would not think that allows us to get any pressure, we just aren't an exotic blitz package team... What I would pay for an attacking defense, such as the steelers..
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Just seems like an exotic way to keep the QB back there all day passing.. 3 man fronts are not going to get pressure on the QB..
Not if you have two LBers coming on delayed blitzes. You could blitz one LB and keep the other LB shadowing the RB. You could sit both them at the snap, then let them come free on a double blitz right through a gap in the defensive line. You could drop Cushing at the snap and bring Ryans AND Pollard on a blitz. I think it could be VERY exotic.

This sort of lineup would be brutal on the two LBers, asking them to take on offensive linemen on a regular basis...having to sift through the blockers to contain a run up the middle or to the edge.

The emphasis is to have more of the field covered by DBs, reducing the voids where a WR can sit down and catch those slants or other quick pass routes. You're going to have Pollard hammering anything that gets thrown just past the LBers. And you have the two LBers in that same area, prepared to take out the short stuff too.

Essentially, we'd be using Pollard as a LB since he likes to hit people violently...but he has better mobility and better coverage skills than a LB, too, so it gives us a chance if passes are not on target or get deflected.

Let's face it though, we're not going to see anything radically different out there. This defense doesn't look the same as it did last year.

Maybe Okoye is more valuable to what we do than I realize. We had Okoye, Cushing, and Duane Brown out vs. the Cowboys. That's three players who bring value to the table on game day. And no Barwin.

Trenches, man. Trenches.

If we can't get a pass rush on the QB, you gotta' go with something else to compensate for it. Making the QB hesitate and cycle through his progressions for too long, IMO, would allow our linemen and LBers to get to the QB. If they can't get there, we're going to make the WR or RB pay dearly because we'll enough men to lay a solid hit on the guy just as he catches the ball.

YAC is killing this defense right now.
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Default Re: If your Kubes how do you fix the secondary, realistically.

We have never been near the middle or the top in the league on front 7 pressure, until that changes our defense is not going to get better IMHO. It's like having a bad offensive line and watching what happens to your running/passing game..

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Maybe Okoye is more valuable to what we do than I realize. We had Okoye, Cushing, and Duane Brown out vs. the Cowboys. That's three players who bring value to the table on game day. And no Barwin.

Trenches, man. Trenches.
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