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I have been thinking about how we can beat the Colts (Who hasn't, right?), and as I have mentioned in other threads, I hate the idea of keeping Peyton off the field to win. It's a bad strategy that can only backfire. I have decided that week 1 is going to tell us about the rest of the season, and here's why.

Even up to last year, we have been a young, up-and-coming team with a lack-of-experience. Frankly, even I have played into this. This year we have a tought schedule, and can't shoot ourselves in the foot. Which brings me to the only way we are going to beat the Colts:


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The reason we have thrown away every game we've played to the Colts since the "Rosencopter" game was because we allowed the Colts to win. The Colts know that even if they're down by 21 against us, they've got a chance if they play hard. All they have to do is wait for Peyton to fire them up.

It's your turn, Matt. If we're down in the 4th, you have to throw a game winning TD instead of those ridiculous "WTF" pick 6's with the game on the line.

Somebody has to fire these guys up. Somebody has to make them believe. If they can't show leadership and heart now, in this game, I think our season is done. I don't care how young our players are or what pieces we're missing. Worse teams have done more.

It's our time. Who will step up? Matt? Andre? Mario? Bernard? DeMeco? Kubiak? I don't care...just get it done.
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I think the Texans should re-watch the Super Bowl. The Saints came out and weren't going to let Peyton determine what happens. Their mindset was that they were going to do what they were going to do and it was up to Peyton to respond. He wasn't a god to them that has beat them 15 of 16 times, they weren't scared of him. He was just a good opponent that wore jersey #18. That's the mentality we have to have. We can't be scared of him or worried what he's thinking or going to do - it that's the case we'll lose. We've got to be thinking "this is OUR house, this is OUR season. What are YOU going to do about it Peyton?" The Saints were not thinking "what are WE going to do to beat THEM?" their mindset was "What are YOU going to do to beat US?"


To be honest, I'm not worried about our leadership, coaching decisions, mistakes... I'm more concerned with our mentality. Our team is at the point where I think that's all they need. If it's not there, we're not a playoff calibre team whether we happen to squeek in or not. If we've got this mentality, then all the other things that are already there will take care of themselves and we'll be a dangerous dangerous football team.
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LOL @ our season being done after game 1.

The season is a marathon, not a sprint. Sure, it'll suck if we lose to the Colts on Sunday, but it's not like the season will be over as a result. Besides, losing to the Colts is not necessarily indicative of being a good or bad team, simply because most teams lose to the Colts over the past few years. They are one of the NFL's elite teams right now, so it's a bit premature and defeatist to put so much emphasis on one game at the start of the season.

And I have to disagree with the idea that keeping Manning off of the field is a bad strategy. His offense can't score if he's on the sideline, and that's just a black and white fact with no ambiguity.

I don't disagree with you about leadership, though. Schaub and AJ need to lead the charge, and our defense needs to play with determination and grit, bringing it to every play, especially with Cushing out. Hopefully Pollard, DeMeco, and/or Mario fill that leadership role for our D to rise to the occasion.
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LOL @ our season being done after game 1.

The season is a marathon, not a sprint. Sure, it'll suck if we lose to the Colts on Sunday, but it's not like the season will be over as a result. Besides, losing to the Colts is not necessarily indicative of being a good or bad team, simply because most teams lose to the Colts over the past few years. They are one of the NFL's elite teams right now, so it's a bit premature and defeatist to put so much emphasis on one game at the start of the season.
My point isn't that the season is over if we lose. It's that we have to have a different mentality. I think that what this team has been lacking is true leadership. The ability to know that no matter what the scoreboard reads, we're still in the game.

It's this mentality that we have to develop if we're going to get over the hurdle of playing 4 consistent quarters.

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And I have to disagree with the idea that keeping Manning off of the field is a bad strategy. His offense can't score if he's on the sideline, and that's just a black and white fact with no ambiguity.
This strategy led to one of the most horrifically embarassing losses in the history of the league when the Dolphins played the Colts.

I hate this strategy because it is playing scared. It is assuming that the only way to beat Peyton is if he's not playing. That's a scared team's way of thinking, and I want none of it. I want Peyton to come out, play 4 quarters of football, punch him in the mouth and ask him how it tastes when we've beaten him into submission.
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My point isn't that the season is over if we lose. It's that we have to have a different mentality. I think that what this team has been lacking is true leadership. The ability to know that no matter what the scoreboard reads, we're still in the game.

It's this mentality that we have to develop if we're going to get over the hurdle of playing 4 consistent quarters.



This strategy led to one of the most horrifically embarassing losses in the history of the league when the Dolphins played the Colts.

I hate this strategy because it is playing scared. It is assuming that the only way to beat Peyton is if he's not playing. That's a scared team's way of thinking, and I want none of it. I want Peyton to come out, play 4 quarters of football, punch him in the mouth and ask him how it tastes when we've beaten him into submission.
Scared? Keeping Peyton off the field would mean we dominated the LOS and took control of the clock. That's got nothing to do with being scared and it's got everything to do with punching them in the mouth in the trenches. Win in the trenches and 9 times out of 10 you're going to win.
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To be honest, I'm not worried about our leadership, coaching decisions, mistakes... I'm more concerned with our mentality. Our team is at the point where I think that's all they need. If it's not there, we're not a playoff calibre team whether we happen to squeek in or not. If we've got this mentality, then all the other things that are already there will take care of themselves and we'll be a dangerous dangerous football team.

I think we're on the same page here. I think that leadership is a mentality. And my point is that if we don't develop that mentality, starting with week one in a huge game that will give us a chance to get a jump-start on the division, we've lost.

This season has to be different than all the others if they want to get to the playoffs and beyond. I will not listen to the "aw shucks we'll get them next time" excuses." With our talent and goals that is loser talk. If they lose they have to be mad and whip the next 3 teams like dogs.

Sure, they're the Colts. But they're just the Colts. Bad defense, as always, and no discernable running game to speak of. They're the pinnacle of one-dimensional and we need to take advantage of that.
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I think what we will learn on Sunday is how much this team has matured.

I expect them to come out with loads of intensity.
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Scared? Keeping Peyton off the field would mean we dominated the LOS and took control of the clock. That's got nothing to do with being scared and it's got everything to do with punching them in the mouth in the trenches. Win in the trenches and 9 times out of 10 you're going to win.
I understand what you're saying. Winning TOP is key to winning the game.

What I'm saying is I hate the idea of using it as a strategy to beat Peyton. TOP is how you win almost any game. Most people (especially the media) say you have to keep Peyton off the field because he's going to beat you if he's on it.

I say let Peyton have his chance. Let your guys beat the guys in front of them. Don't play to keep Peyton off the field because he's not a god.
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LOL @ our season being done after game 1.

The season is a marathon, not a sprint. Sure, it'll suck if we lose to the Colts on Sunday, but it's not like the season will be over as a result. Besides, losing to the Colts is not necessarily indicative of being a good or bad team, simply because most teams lose to the Colts over the past few years. They are one of the NFL's elite teams right now, so it's a bit premature and defeatist to put so much emphasis on one game at the start of the season.

And I have to disagree with the idea that keeping Manning off of the field is a bad strategy. His offense can't score if he's on the sideline, and that's just a black and white fact with no ambiguity.

I don't disagree with you about leadership, though. Schaub and AJ need to lead the charge, and our defense needs to play with determination and grit, bringing it to every play, especially with Cushing out. Hopefully Pollard, DeMeco, and/or Mario fill that leadership role for our D to rise to the occasion.
This is how I feel too. 15-1 would sure be a lousy season to have to hang our collective hats on wouldn't it?



It's one game in a series of 16 important contests. There's a very real danger in putting too much stock in a single game. You set yourself up for an enormous fall if you fail to win that game. You can also set yourself up for a beating the following week if you are emotionally spent from the previous game, win or lose.

NFL seasons are indeed marathons and to be truly successful you have to be consistent and focused. The Texans should approach the Colts game like it's the most important game they'll play this year but at the same time they should be going into every game this season with that kind of intensity.
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This team has proven to me so far that there really is only one team they haven't been able to conquer, and that's themselves. They've beaten the Colts repeatedly for most of the game only to choke it away in the end. It's one thing when Payton Manning drives down the field in the final minutes and beats you. He does that to everyone. It's another when you have the Colts completely beaten and then you give Manning the ball a couple extra times so he can do that to you. Turnovers and lack of a running game have killed the Texans the last couple years.
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Even up to last year, we have been a young, up-and-coming team with a lack-of-experience. Frankly, even I have played into this. This year we have a tought schedule, and can't shoot ourselves in the foot. Which brings me to the only way we are going to beat the Colts:


Leadership


The reason we have thrown away every game we've played to the Colts since the "Rosencopter" game was because we allowed the Colts to win. The Colts know that even if they're down by 21 against us, they've got a chance if they play hard. All they have to do is wait for Peyton to fire them up.

It's your turn, Matt. If we're down in the 4th, you have to throw a game winning TD instead of those ridiculous "WTF" pick 6's with the game on the line.

Somebody has to fire these guys up.

It's our time. Who will step up? Matt? Andre? Mario? Bernard? DeMeco? Kubiak? I don't care...just get it done.
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& that's not just a function of the defense. The offense has to take care of the ball, & not give Manning extra opportunities. That's how we beat them in '06, we made the most of our opportunities, and severely limited theirs.
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I really don't feel the same way as you guys. We took charge vs. The patriots and leaders rose up to the occassion. That game we turned the corner. Last season I mai wasn't so confident when we went up against the colts and marked it as a loss. Well not a loss but I just didn't expect a win. This year is different. I feel like we are going to wreck the colts and make peyton cry.
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LOL @ our season being done after game 1.

The season is a marathon, not a sprint. Sure, it'll suck if we lose to the Colts on Sunday, but it's not like the season will be over as a result. Besides, losing to the Colts is not necessarily indicative of being a good or bad team, simply because most teams lose to the Colts over the past few years. They are one of the NFL's elite teams right now, so it's a bit premature and defeatist to put so much emphasis on one game at the start of the season.
I don't think it's just a matter of losing the game. I'm sure most people are thinking about the way we lose (if we lose). We have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot, with one mistake leading to another, and another.

Last time we played Indy, we had three turnovers in the 4th Qtr. We were leading before that, 20-14.

3 turnovers in the 4th Qtr.

Then you add to that the way we "normally" look on opening day.

You put them both together..... BOOM
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I don't disagree with you about leadership, though. Schaub and AJ need to lead the charge, and our defense needs to play with determination and grit, bringing it to every play, especially with Cushing out. Hopefully Pollard, DeMeco, and/or Mario fill that leadership role for our D to rise to the occasion.
The best thing I saw in our customary 4 game end of the season win streak, was the leadership from AJ, Matt starting to affect the other players, JJ, Dressen, Studdard.

I'm also pleased with the defensive leadership as a whole, only thing I don't like, is that Mario needs to STFU (S as in step). Demeco & Antonio shouldn't be trying to fire him up, he needs to be firing them up. Whether he likes it or not, this defense starts with him.
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Keeping Manning off the field is bad strategy?

WTF?

Are you joking? It's pretty much one of the only ways to beat him.
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I just wanted to check out that game we beat them.... THAT game we beat them, that's just sad. lol

Check out what happened every time the Colts got the ball:

1st Quarter
1) RB fumbles, Houston recovers.
2) Manning TD pass to Harrison.

2nd Quarter
3) Manning TD pass to Moorehead.
4) Manning kneels to end half w/ 16 seconds left.

3rd Quarter
5) Punt
6) Vinatieri FG

4th Quarter
7) Manning TD pass to Harrison

So that's 7 offensive series for the Colts. 6 legit series, Peyton took them downfield to score on 4 of them. RB fumble can't do anything about, didn't convert a 3rd and 3 and was forced to punt.
1 RB fumble
1 Punt
1 FG
1 Kneel to end 1st half
3 TD passes

Manning was 21/27 for 205 yards 3 TD's and 0 Interceptions
Addai had 15 rushes for 100 yards.
Harrison had 8 receptions for 112 yards and 2 TDs.

Dang!

Time of Possession: Houston 36 minutes to Indy's 24 minutes. The dagger was the 9 1/2 minute drive we had in 4th quarter and the 2:41 we had to close out the game with the game winning FG. Indy got the ball 1 time in the 4th and scored a TD.
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I don't think it's just a matter of losing the game. I'm sure most people are thinking about the way we lose (if we lose). We have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot, with one mistake leading to another, and another.

Last time we played Indy, we had three turnovers in the 4th Qtr. We were leading before that, 20-14.

3 turnovers in the 4th Qtr.

Then you add to that the way we "normally" look on opening day.

You put them both together..... BOOM


The best thing I saw in our customary 4 game end of the season win streak, was the leadership from AJ, Matt starting to affect the other players, JJ, Dressen, Studdard.

I'm also pleased with the defensive leadership as a whole, only thing I don't like, is that Mario needs to STFU (S as in step). Demeco & Antonio shouldn't be trying to fire him up, he needs to be firing them up. Whether he likes it or not, this defense starts with him.

Exactly. Perhaps I sent the wrong message with my OP. I'm not saying we have to win or the season is over. I'm also not saying that we're going to lose.

My point is that the talent is in place. I'm psyched. I know we can do big things (even if we lose). But we're not going anywhere without leadership.


What I'm saying is the only thing we're missing is that intangible piece of the puzzle that all winning teams have. Call it leadership. Call it a winning mentality. Call it the x-factor.

I don't care what you call it, but without it we're still going to be the same Texans. It's time we move forward and show this we're that we're not the Colts' little brother any more.
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My point isn't that the season is over if we lose. It's that we have to have a different mentality. I think that what this team has been lacking is true leadership. The ability to know that no matter what the scoreboard reads, we're still in the game.

It's this mentality that we have to develop if we're going to get over the hurdle of playing 4 consistent quarters.
I was watching Sons of Anarchy last night, and this reminded me of the conversation Clay had with Jax at Kip's casket.

"You've got to decide that your son is dead, and you want revenge, or that he's alive, and nothing's going to get in your way of getting him back!"

or something like that.

If something happens in that Colts game, this team has to decide if they are going to kick some ass because of it, or if they are going to kick some ass to get over it.

One way or the other, this team kicking ass has to be the end result.
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Exactly. Perhaps I sent the wrong message with my OP. I'm not saying we have to win or the season is over. I'm also not saying that we're going to lose.

What I'm saying is the only thing we're missing is that intangible piece of the puzzle that all winning teams have. Call it leadership. Call it a winning mentality. Call it the x-factor.
I hear what you're saying. If we come out without that x-factor and lose, it's going to be a long season. as in we still don't have "it".

Even if we lose but we do have that x-factor, this could still be a great season.

Look at the Boise St. / Virginia Tech game the other night. Both teams looked GREAT and could have great seasons. Boise St. did demolish V. Tech. If we lose the game like that, I'll still have a good feeling about the season, the OTHER 15 games. If we lose like we did to the Jets, that's a terrible thing. I know you should never feel good about a loss, I'm just looking at the big picture. Even if we barely win the game and it's luck and we really didn't even look that good... I'll like the fact we're 1-0 but I won't have a good feeling and it would be more indicative of us losing more games this year than we win.

For the record, I think we look great and we'll beat the colts.
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Keeping Manning off the field is bad strategy?

WTF?

Are you joking? It's pretty much one of the only ways to beat him.
This is what I'm talking about. You're assuming Peyton can't be stopped. It's the mindset that Peyton is the GOAT that causes people to be scared of him and lose. He has been absolutely trashed by defenses that don't think he's worth anything. That is how you play Peyton Manning.

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Time of Possession: Houston 36 minutes to Indy's 24 minutes. The dagger was the 9 1/2 minute drive we had in 4th quarter and the 2:41 we had to close out the game with the game winning FG. Indy got the ball 1 time in the 4th and scored a TD.
I am not arguing the fact that winning TOP is the key to winning a game. My point is simply that if you're afraid to let Peyton on the field, you're not going to win. It's stupid decisions out of fear that cause teams to lose to Peyton (e.g. the Patriots going for it on their own 26).

I will not deny that playing ball control at the end of the game will beat Peyton. No doubt. If we can run out the clock and keep him from having a drive to potentially win the game, that's great.

But we're not a ball-control offense. We are a passing team. Yes, we have potential in the running game, but we're not a running team. If we come out and try to cram the ball down their throat Peyton is going to giggle like a schoolgirl. We have to come out, be aggressive, and not be afraid to let Peyton on the field.
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I want to see this during Game 1 and ALL SEASON LONG!!

Marion Barber, meet Bernard Pollard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJKdpsZi_10
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