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Old 09-04-2010   #1
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The new field placement of NFL umpires claimed its first victim last night and not surprisingly it was the Colts that were victimized.

If you're not familiar with the new placement, NFL umpires now line up 12 yards deep in the offensive backfield with the referee. Umpires used to camp out 5-7 yards deep on the defensive side, in the neighborhood of the middle linebacker.

The old placement was the reason for the rule change. Too many umpires were getting caught up in traffic and being injured by ball carriers, blockers and tacklers.

Umpires were also often used as a 'pick' for teams that like to run shallow crossing routes with their tight ends and slot receivers. Like Indy - and Houston.

Judy Battista of the New York Times wrote this article about a week ago which outlines the key points of the move and what effects it will have on the game.

The officials set up outside the view of those watching on television but it will be readily apparent to those of us in the stands tomorrow night so that's something else to look for.

What's funny is I had run across Battista's article last week and had intended to write about this then, but other things took priority.
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I asked the official what the challenges are with this new placement and if there certain types of calls that will be harder to pick up - or maybe easier.

"The mechanics and officiating keys are a little different but not completely," the official said. "Any change presents new challenges but so far in the preseason it is working fine."

But that was before last night's game between the Colts and Packers where Peyton Manning tried to quick snap. But the umpire - who now has to spot the ball and backpedal 12 yards to get into position before every snap - wasn't set when the Colts snapped the ball.

Result? 5-yard false start in the redzone, and a pissed off Peyton Manning. Poor baby. We'll see if the Colts whine to the league and try to get something changed before Week 1. I can't see how the league would make a change this late but you never know when it involves Mr. Golden Boy.

How could this affect the Texans, you ask?

Well it won't have any effect on quick snaps because that's not the Texans game, but the Texans run some of the same tight end and slot receiver crosses that Bill Walsh's teams used to run back in the day.

And yes, even your lily white, squeaky clean All American Texans have using the umpire as a pick from time to time.
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HWWNBN would have probably used the umpire to hide behind.
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HWWNBN would have probably used the umpire to hide behind.
I still remember "him" pegging the ump in the forehead with a laser across the middle. Might have been the first game.
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Default Re: AJ:New umpire placement could affect Texans offense too

I don't see this effecting the Texans at all...

Owen Daniels if healthy can beat LBers (and if he can't we have TEs who can)and just about all of Houston's receivers (TEs and WRs) can make catches with players draped all over them...in Andre's case, he can still make the catch and run up field with players draped all over him

As far as Graham getting called for a pick.......well, Houston's receivers have been called for a pick even before the new rule change. Anybody remember that game changing call that went against KW in the Jags game awhile back?
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yes, but they're used to having a referee draped on them too.
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Default Re: AJ:New umpire placement could affect Texans offense too

I think the new placement will be good for the game. How many times have we seen a defender rubbed off on a the ump or some other unintentional, and at times, game-changing interference? Besides, these are usually old guys with no preotection at all from some pretty large men with a full head of steam. Anything that pisses Manning off is pretty OK in my book.
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Default Re: AJ:New umpire placement could affect Texans offense too

Also the Colts aren't worried about not having "the pick".....that's not why they're bitching about the rule.

It's their no huddle offense that they're trying to protect. That's a much bigger blow to their offense.
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Default Re: AJ:New umpire placement could affect Texans offense too

If this rule had been in place last year, we would have not gotten burned after the infamous Dunta Robinson tackle celebration when Manning quick-snapped it and threw the long ball.
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Also the Colts aren't worried about not having "the pick".....that's not why they're bitching about the rule.

It's their no huddle offense that they're trying to protect. That's a much bigger blow to their offense.
I expect to see Manning out there with a cattle prod.
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Default Re: AJ:New umpire placement could affect Texans offense too

I'm perfectly OK with teams using umps as a pick. When the umps get in the way of the Texans, they don't nullify the play, so hey, if you can get in our way, then we can make you get in the way of the other guys. All's fair in love and war. If you don't like it, move (which they have, so it's all good).

As for the quick snap, that's BS, IMO. And I know they're reverting back to their normal spot on the field after a certain time on the clock, so then you can quick snap - or use them as a pick.
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Also the Colts aren't worried about not having "the pick".....that's not why they're bitching about the rule.

It's their no huddle offense that they're trying to protect. That's a much bigger blow to their offense.
They rarely snap the ball quickly, normally going through Manning over the top motioning and signaling. Do the handful of times a game that they really snap early in the count matter? Of course, because threat of the quick snap is as important as the quick snap , but the pre-season game very conscious attempt to highlight the rule versus run the offense at the normal pace.
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But that was before last night's game between the Colts and Packers where Peyton Manning tried to quick snap. But the umpire - who now has to spot the ball and backpedal 12 yards to get into position before every snap - wasn't set when the Colts snapped the ball.

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They rarely snap the ball quickly, normally going through Manning over the top motioning and signaling. Do the handful of times a game that they really snap early in the count matter? Of course, because threat of the quick snap is as important as the quick snap , but the pre-season game very conscious attempt to highlight the rule versus run the offense at the normal pace.
Agreed.

I think they (The Colts) would tell you that while they rarely snap the ball quickly, the possibility that they could inhibits or prevents the defensive team from making situational substitutions. The extra time provided before even the possibility of a snap could change that.
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I think the biggest issue with this is in the two minute drill when teams need to line up quickly and stop the clock .... having to wait on the officials to get in position 12 yards away could cost a team valuable seconds - and potentially change the outcome of a game.
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I think the biggest issue with this is in the two minute drill when teams need to line up quickly and stop the clock .... having to wait on the officials to get in position 12 yards away could cost a team valuable seconds - and potentially change the outcome of a game.
The rule will not apply to the last 2 minutes of each half. The umps in those 2periods of time will revert to their traditional spot so as not to interfere with the offenses' rhythm in a typical two-minute drill.
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If this rule had been in place last year, we would have not gotten burned after the infamous Dunta Robinson tackle celebration when Manning quick-snapped it and threw the long ball.
So a rule that allows the defense to overcome its own ignorance is a good one?

I think the whole umpire placement is a bunch of nonsense. When the games start for real, teams will learn how to adjust and be just as successful running their offense as they used to.

As for Indy, the Colts no huddle is not necessarily a quick offense so I don't think it will be as big of factor as some are making it out to be.
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They rarely snap the ball quickly, normally going through Manning over the top motioning and signaling. Do the handful of times a game that they really snap early in the count matter? Of course, because threat of the quick snap is as important as the quick snap , but the pre-season game very conscious attempt to highlight the rule versus run the offense at the normal pace.
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The rule will not apply to the last 2 minutes of each half. The umps in those 2periods of time will revert to their traditional spot so as not to interfere with the offenses' rhythm in a typical two-minute drill.
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A meeting of the referees and umpires will be held Friday, one day after the season opener between Minnesota and New Orleans. That meeting will "simply be to review the mechanics of the umpire position," NFL spokesman Michael Signora said Monday.

In March, the league decided for safety reasons to move umpires from the middle of the defense near the linebackers to behind the deepest running back. But Colts quarterback and four-time NFL MVP Peyton Manning complained in a preseason game at Green Bay after he twice was called for illegal snaps when the umpire couldn't get into position quickly enough.
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But the solution already has drawn protests from some players, particularly those on fast-tempo offenses.

"If we do the mechanics right, I don't think that it (penalties) ought to be an issue," Polian said. "If I thought that would be a byproduct of it, obviously, I would not have voted for it. There are certain times of the game and certain downs and distance where it's going to become more of an issue, and they've got to be aware of it.
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