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Old 08-31-2010   #1
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Default Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

There has been some talk lately of Reggie Bush being stripped of his 2005 Heisman trophy as a result of being declared ineligible during the 2005 season. If Bush is declared ineligible, then how could he possibly be eligible for any awards for his play that season? It is a good question that will be resolved by the Heisman Trust Committee that awarded Bush the Heisman trophy to begin with.

If Bush is stripped of the award, then Vince Young is the obvious recipient of the award. He was second in the Heisman voting that year. And he was without question one of the most amazing college players in NCAA football history. If Bush is stripped of the award, Mack Brown is right. Vince Young should be awarded the Heisman trophy.

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If the Heisman Trophy Trust takes back Reggie Bush's 2005 Heisman Trophy, Texas coach Mack Brown believes Vince Young should get it.

"If they take it away, I think Vince should be awarded the trophy," Brown said on Dan Patrick's syndicated radio show on Monday.

"I think you have to go back and really give that choice to the Heisman Trust. If they take it away, I think Vince should be awarded the trophy," Brown said on "The Dan Patrick Show" on Monday. "Vince was second in the voting, so even if they re-voted I would like to see Vince get it."
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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

I hear Young doesnt want it. I think its more important to the school than Young at this point.

But even if Bush was getting money on the side, he still had a hell of a year on the field.
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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

Give it to Vince...

After they investigate him like Reggie

I wonder how much booster money he was getting every day that last year at Texas?

Who was in third place that year?
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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

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Give it to Vince...

After they investigate him like Reggie

I wonder how much booster money he was getting every day that last year at Texas?

Who was in third place that year?
Bush was first
Young was Second
Matt Leinart was third
Brady Quinn was fourth
Deangelo Williams was fifth

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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

I did then and and still think it should be awarded to Vince Young. If he doesn't want it, then I'll take it, but he is still the one who earned it IMO.
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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

If the Heisman voting ended after the bowl games like it should.... then VY would have won it in the first place.
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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

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Give it to Vince...

After they investigate him like Reggie

I wonder how much booster money he was getting every day that last year at Texas?

Who was in third place that year?
Vince never did anything illegal. Take your Haterade elsewhere.

Longhorns won the National Championship. No amount of hate can change that. Vince was awesome at Texas. The Longhorns have the best athletic program in the nation and are an undisputed football power.

Deal with it and take your Haterade elsewhere. Let me guess? Cougar High fan?
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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

I agree Vince Young and UT deserve the award, provided the Heisman Committee has let the investigation of USC/Bush conclude. The biggest issue I had with the Cushing ordeal was the knee-jerk reaction to the news without getting all the facts. I hope they have the patience to wait until they hear the whole story, but it does seem like this is an open and shut case regarding Reggie Bush.

At the time, I was hoping Vince would win the Heisman. I saw him play at Kyle Field a few weeks before the winner was announced, and he was awesome despite having a 'down' game. His performances all year were incredible for a QB, and he really brought his A game every week that year. He went out to the Rose Bowl and proved that he was the truly the best player that year beating out both of the Heisman winners of USC.

IMO Bush was gifted the trophy by the media due to hype around him. I remember the 500 all-purpose yards against Fresno State and "The Bush Push" getting a lot of ESPN time towards the end of the season, because they just loved this guy. The 'Bush Push' coverage was just crazy though. The day of that game the highlights accredited Leinart punching it through on the goalline, but the next day someone coined the term 'Bush Push' and the media just ran with it giving all the attention to Reggie. It was just stupid.
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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

I believed Vince should get it then and now. I hear he doesn't want it though. If he doesn't accept it, I will then really dislike him more than I do now because to me he could really do even more for the school. A) He would show what kind of class players come from that school. B) He would help put the school back in the media which will help the school in the long run in terms of recruiting. C) Even if he doesn't want the award and accepts it, he will be honoring the school that recruited him and the fans that supported him. And that's coming from a Texan fan that walked away from him at Texas Land and Cattle Co. so that I could get Kasey Studdard's autograph.

If Vince were to accept the award, I would hope that he would have class even in is disapproval of receiving the award. I hope he doesn't say something to the affect of ' it belongs with me anyway' and be arrogant about it. I wouldn't even mind him voicing his displeasure if he could do it with class and say something to the affect of 'Even though I'm accepting an award that may have a proverbial asterisk mark, my play on the field while attending the University of Texas should and will justify my receiving this award. However, I don't receive this for me personally but I receive it to honor The University of Texas where we work to prove that integrity always wins in the end."

If he can do those two things. I think Vince's legendary status will remain.
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Vince never did anything illegal. Take your Haterade elsewhere.

Longhorns won the National Championship. No amount of hate can change that. Vince was awesome at Texas. The Longhorns have the best athletic program in the nation and are an undisputed football power.

Deal with it and take your Haterade elsewhere. Let me guess? Cougar High fan?
Sure he didn't

Maybe we should just disqualify every college player that takes booster money
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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

I think Bush should be stripped of the award, and then the Heisman award for 2005 should be vacated. And that's the reason I don't think the Heisman committee will take any action at all, because if they took my suggestion that might cause a bigger controversy by NOT awarding it to VY.
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I think Bush should be stripped of the award, and then the Heisman award for 2005 should be vacated. And that's the reason I don't think the Heisman committee will take any action at all, because if they took my suggestion that might cause a bigger controversy by NOT awarding it to VY.
But I do like your idea. That would send a big message to everyone. EVERYONE. If we find out you cheated, you will suffer the consequences.
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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

I have no problem with that at all, but it would make the VY jock sniffers even worse to deal with.
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Give it to Vince...

After they investigate him like Reggie

I wonder how much booster money he was getting every day that last year at Texas?

Who was in third place that year?
Dude, just put a sock in it. You don't have jack to back up claims like this, and you're using an unsubstantiated theory out of thin air to try and villify VY of the same thing without anything to back it up with. This is just weak.
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Dude, just put a sock in it. You don't have jack to back up claims like this, and you're using an unsubstantiated theory out of thin air to try and villify VY of the same thing without anything to back it up with. This is just weak.
I'll bank on the elite college athlete getting paid under the table by boosters every time.

Especially at UT
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I'll bank on the elite college athlete getting paid under the table by boosters every time.

Especially at USC
Fixed that for you.

USC cheated and it's been proven. So Texas is guilty until proven innocent? I don't think so.
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Default Re: Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

i think it's silly that personal awards can be taken away like this. i don't care if Bush was paid or not, fact is that he won the Heisman in a landslide, let him keep it
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i think it's silly that personal awards can be taken away like this. i don't care if Bush was paid or not, fact is that he won the Heisman in a landslide, let him keep it
It hasnt been taken away. And personally I dont think it will. If Reggie wants to give it up thats one thing, but the Heisman committee probably doesnt want to deal with a re-vote.
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I'll bank on the elite college athlete getting paid under the table by boosters every time.

Especially at UT
Got anything to substantiate that with? Something that may suggest this to be true? An investigation? A smoking gun anywhere? Anything?


If not, then this seems like trolling a thread to take shots at UT.
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Got anything to substantiate that with? Something that may suggest this to be true? An investigation? A smoking gun anywhere? Anything?


If not, then this seems like trolling a thread to take shots at UT.
Proof: Its a big time college program (Bama, UT, USC, etc are all guilty)

UT is the same university that has the police protecting all its players in Austin

Big players get paid
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