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Default Anyone Worried Quin Keeps on Chasing After Tail?

Quin got nailed several times for chasing Dallas jerseys' tails. The reason I ask is that the knock on him going into the draft was that he did not have great vision or speed, and had trouble recovering and catching up to his receivers. Has anyone specifically watched him through camp and preseason to say that this game was a total fluke, or a hint of things to come with wiley receivers.
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anybody who saw Welker/Edelman working him in the last game of the season know..it ain't a fluke.. his speed is going to get him beat at times..hopefully we can counter with a pass rush. I've said all along i didn't think he was a starting cb in the league; just a very good nickel guy.
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McCain is a really good CB and when they cover nickel Quin is the nickel back. Speed isn't a problem for McCain or Jackson. I'm very comfortable with his play so far but I know the heat is about to get turned up. Still, if the notion of moving him back to Safety passed I would be all for it.
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i rewatched the game again and didnt see quin do anything wrong when he got the 2 penalties for holding and PI. he got beat on the holding one but i didnt see him grab at all. they didnt even show a replay of it. i think he just had a rough night with the refs
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just heard this morning on 610, they said kubes said Quinn & jackson both were missing their jams at the LOS..when you do that, you're beat from the snap of the ball. It makes sense actually, but they can't have that happen too much against the colts or manning will make them pay.
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Romo to Austin is a pretty potent combination.

Our defense as a whole shut them down.

Quin may have gotten beat, but he was there when it counted.

No points is no points. Its a team game after all
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just heard this morning on 610, they said kubes said Quinn & jackson both were missing their jams at the LOS..when you do that, you're beat from the snap of the ball. It makes sense actually, but they can't have that happen too much against the colts or manning will make them pay.
I heard the same exact thing and was going to post it. You beat me to it, good job.
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Positives: Adequate height and very solid overall build for a corner or free safety. ... Has the strength to jam on the line. ... Likes contact, will bring his hips and wrap up in the open field. ... Good awareness, reads screens, play action and misdirection. ... High-points the football and had good hands for the interception. ... Breaks up passes by jumping routes or fighting for the ball in the air. ... Returned 10 kickoffs for 323 yards as a senior and can be dangerous running back interceptions. ... Played through pain and returned quickly from groin surgery during junior season. ... Physical runner on returns -- goes straight upfield, is willing to take a hit and can bounce off to get additional yardage.


Negatives: Some teams will grade him as a safety and cornerback "tweener." ... Does not have great straight-line or recovery speed. ... Best when attacking the play in front of him. ... Will throw his shoulder to make a hit instead of wrapping up. ... Lacks great height and vertical leap to challenge tall NFL receivers. ... Inconsistent getting off receiver blocks on the edge. ... Lacks great quickness, vision or speed on returns.

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i rewatched the game again and didnt see quin do anything wrong when he got the 2 penalties for holding and PI. he got beat on the holding one but i didnt see him grab at all. they didnt even show a replay of it. i think he just had a rough night with the refs
On the holding penalty on Austin, he definitely had his hands all over him beyond the 5 yards, the one on Roy, he flat out got beat, and I didn't see a penalty.

The thing I like about Glover, is that he is physical, and he has more consistently done something to stop the receiver from catching the ball than most our other corners. Knocking the ball down, or knocking the receiver down... I like it.

speed can be compensated for by being smart, and early recognition. I think he was just playing off a little rust.
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Romo to Austin is a pretty potent combination.

Our defense as a whole shut them down.

Quin may have gotten beat, but he was there when it counted.

No points is no points. Its a team game after all
To nitpick on this game is...well nitpicking. But to think Quin won't face anyone tougher than Romo/Williams/Austin? Recovery speed is a definite concern for him at CB but I like that if he sees his man getting past him and he knows the ball is coming, penalty is better than TD.

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Positives: Adequate height and very solid overall build for a corner or free safety. ... Has the strength to jam on the line. ... Likes contact, will bring his hips and wrap up in the open field. ... Good awareness, reads screens, play action and misdirection. ... High-points the football and had good hands for the interception. ... Breaks up passes by jumping routes or fighting for the ball in the air. ... Returned 10 kickoffs for 323 yards as a senior and can be dangerous running back interceptions. ... Played through pain and returned quickly from groin surgery during junior season. ... Physical runner on returns -- goes straight upfield, is willing to take a hit and can bounce off to get additional yardage.


Negatives: Some teams will grade him as a safety and cornerback "tweener." ... Does not have great straight-line or recovery speed. ... Best when attacking the play in front of him. ... Will throw his shoulder to make a hit instead of wrapping up. ... Lacks great height and vertical leap to challenge tall NFL receivers. ... Inconsistent getting off receiver blocks on the edge. ... Lacks great quickness, vision or speed on returns.

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That picture is painted as a safety to me. I'm more than willing to see how this tandem works out but Wilson is Wilson, at this point maybe I should call him "Mister" Wilson. I certainly believe Quin would be an above average safety, which would give the Texans, for once, an above average pair of safeties.
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I'm more inclined to see what Nolan can do as a starting safety than Quinn.


If Quinn can become more savvy then I think he'll be fine as a #2 corner. Lets not forget that he is not being asked to be the #1...Jackson is.

There have been other corners that have lacked great physical skills but have overcome it with work ethic. Who knows if Quinn is one of those players, but I don't think he's going to kill us this year.

Against teams like the Colts it seems as if he'll mostly be lined up in the slot though because they use three wideouts so often.
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I'm more inclined to see what Nolan can do as a starting safety than Quinn.
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Do explain.
I don't know what there is to explain, but I'll give it a whack:

He's played the position a lot more and has made good/great plays almost every time I've seen him play the position.

There wouldn't be any need for him to adjust, as that is what he has played all along.

Shows really good instincts.

Makes good plays on the ball, and has shown that he has the ability to be a good tackler.

Has also shown the ability to be an enforcer and knock the crap out of receivers when they try to make a catch.




I've never seen Quinn play FS on this level (nor in college for that matter) so why would I want to see him as a starting FS over someone that has shown flashes of being good/potentially really good in both college and the pro's?
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Positives: Adequate height and very solid overall build for a corner or free safety. ... Has the strength to jam on the line. ... Likes contact, will bring his hips and wrap up in the open field. ... Good awareness, reads screens, play action and misdirection. ... High-points the football and had good hands for the interception. ... Breaks up passes by jumping routes or fighting for the ball in the air. ... Returned 10 kickoffs for 323 yards as a senior and can be dangerous running back interceptions. ... Played through pain and returned quickly from groin surgery during junior season. ... Physical runner on returns -- goes straight upfield, is willing to take a hit and can bounce off to get additional yardage.


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Exactly and I posted this right after he was drafted that he was rated as 7th best free safety in nation with 4.50 speed which is good for FS and ok for CB.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...xpos&order=ASC

His over all skills as a CB are actually quite good but I think he be best at FS. My problem with Quin, Jackson and Sherrick is what was identified on radio today ( I heard it on 790) as jamming but not releasing cleaning and swiveling to run with WR. This is exactly what I've been talking about since we drafted Jackson. He has looked much better than I anticipated but Quin has not progressed as much as I hoped. Techniques can be taught to reduce this weakness but it is going to be exploited quickly.

Another issue with our CBs when not jamming but playing back off WRs in anticipated passing downs. CBs are giving up about 5-8 yards and when play begins immediately go into backpedal. I forsee a QB taking advantage of that in reguilar season having the WR push hard as if going deep then coming back for the ball. SHould be good for 15- 20 yards.
Overall, it was a much better game. Interested in which team shows up this week.....
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To nitpick on this game is...well nitpicking. But to think Quin won't face anyone tougher than Romo/Williams/Austin? Recovery speed is a definite concern for him at CB but I like that if he sees his man getting past him and he knows the ball is coming, penalty is better than TD.

That picture is painted as a safety to me. I'm more than willing to see how this tandem works out but Wilson is Wilson, at this point maybe I should call him "Mister" Wilson. I certainly believe Quin would be an above average safety, which would give the Texans, for once, an above average pair of safeties.
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Exactly and I posted this right after he was drafted that he was rated as 7th best free safety in nation with 4.50 speed which is good for FS and ok for CB.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...xpos&order=ASC

His over all skills as a CB are actually quite good but I think he be best at FS. My problem with Quin, Jackson and Sherrick is what was identified on radio today ( I heard it on 790) as jamming but not releasing cleaning and swiveling to run with WR. This is exactly what I've been talking about since we drafted Jackson. He has looked much better than I anticipated but Quin has not progressed as much as I hoped. Techniques can be taught to reduce this weakness but it is going to be exploited quickly.

Another issue with our CBs when not jamming but playing back off WRs in anticipated passing downs. CBs are giving up about 5-8 yards and when play begins immediately go into backpedal. I forsee a QB taking advantage of that in reguilar season having the WR push hard as if going deep then coming back for the ball. SHould be good for 15- 20 yards.
Overall, it was a much better game. Interested in which team shows up this week.....
Maybe, Safety > CB. Exactly what I've been thinking. Instead of wasting time chasing tail, he would probably be more productive waiting for head [no double entendre implied].
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Maybe, Safety > CB. Exactly what I've been thinking. Instead of wasting time chasing tail, he would probably be more productive waiting for head [no double entendre implied].
When Quin was drafted, LZ immediately annointed him our FS.

Hasn't worked out that way.

I just wish Brice McCain was taller.
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Maybe, Safety > CB. Exactly what I've been thinking. Instead of wasting time chasing tail, he would probably be more productive waiting for head [no double entendre implied].
That's a really long wait for some!
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That's a really long wait for some!
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Another issue with our CBs when not jamming but playing back off WRs in anticipated passing downs. CBs are giving up about 5-8 yards and when play begins immediately go into backpedal. I forsee a QB taking advantage of that in reguilar season having the WR push hard as if going deep then coming back for the ball. SHould be good for 15- 20 yards.
Overall, it was a much better game. Interested in which team shows up this week.....
If our opponents WR's have time to run deep outs all day long we have more problems than that. Bump and run coverage is almost a thing of the past due to the fact that most receivers today are the size of TE's and getting bigger. Speed is only one factor in playing good coverage.

stance, footwork, position, strength, balance, all of that comes into play for a good CB.
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Quin got nailed several times for chasing Dallas jerseys' tails. The reason I ask is that the knock on him going into the draft was that he did not have great vision or speed, and had trouble recovering and catching up to his receivers. Has anyone specifically watched him through camp and preseason to say that this game was a total fluke, or a hint of things to come with wiley receivers.
I was at the game and didn't see all the PI calls, were they legit cause I surely didn't seem them unless they were early into the route.
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