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Old 03-18-2005   #1
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I've seen a few discussions on this in random threads, and I think it would be better if we handled all of the WR discussion in a single thread...

IMO, WR is not a tremendous need, and it definitely would not be worth it to reach for a WR in the 1st and 2nd round unless Braylon or Mike Williams falls to us in the 1st or if someone like Roddy White is available in the 2nd (a huge longshot)...

This year's WR class is pretty deep and we could still get good value with our 78th overall pick...It's likely either Jerome Mathis, who impressed at the combine, Roscoe Parrish, who would be a great upgrade over JJ, Reggie Brown, who was overshadowed by Gibson at UGA but has the tools to be a good #2, or Terrence Murphy, who has great speed and can also return kicks, will be there in the late 3rd...We shouldn't take a WR until this point unless we feel there is a can't miss guy...

We have much larger needs including the O-Line, D-Line, LBs, and possibly CB...

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I've seen a few discussions on this in random threads, and I think it would be better if we handled all of the WR discussion in a single thread...

IMO, WR is not a tremendous need, and it definitely would not be worth it to reach for a WR in the 1st and 2nd round unless Braylon or Mike Williams falls to us in the 1st or if someone like Roddy White is available in the 2nd (a huge longshot)...

This year's WR class is pretty deep and we could still get good value with our 78th overall pick...It's likely either Jerome Mathis, who impressed at the combine, Roscoe Parrish, who would be a great upgrade over JJ, Reggie Brown, who was overshadowed by Gibson at UGA but has the tools to be a good #2, or Terrence Murphy, who has great speed and can also return kicks, will be there in the late 3rd...We shouldn't take a WR until this point unless we feel there is a can't miss guy...

We have much larger needs including the O-Line, D-Line, LBs, and possibly CB...

Discuss away...
we have handled our defense in free agnecy... OL yes i can c WR yes i can see to... Williamson is the right person for us.... I have seen mocks where williamson goes #7 to Minnesota but all that means is Barron will be our #1 and Gibson might be #2... WR is the biggest need bc of cap #'s. It doesnt makes sense to draft a guy pay him that kind of money and sit him. I hear the arguements but its not gonna happen
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I've seen a few discussions on this in random threads, and I think it would be better if we handled all of the WR discussion in a single thread...

IMO, WR is not a tremendous need, and it definitely would not be worth it to reach for a WR in the 1st and 2nd round unless Braylon or Mike Williams falls to us in the 1st or if someone like Roddy White is available in the 2nd (a huge longshot)...

This year's WR class is pretty deep and we could still get good value with our 78th overall pick...It's likely either Jerome Mathis, who impressed at the combine, Roscoe Parrish, who would be a great upgrade over JJ, Reggie Brown, who was overshadowed by Gibson at UGA but has the tools to be a good #2, or Terrence Murphy, who has great speed and can also return kicks, will be there in the late 3rd...We shouldn't take a WR until this point unless we feel there is a can't miss guy...

We have much larger needs including the O-Line, D-Line, LBs, and possibly CB...

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the way I see it.. unless Edwards or Williams falls to us.. no one we draft will make an immediate impact, nor are they likely to be a big upgrade over Bradford. SO.. next season we will most likely see a setup with the #2 WR duties being shared by Gaffney, Armstrong, and possibly Starling. And also possibly by a rookie WR if we draft one.

But, im with you that it is NOT likely in the 1st round, and honestly I wouldnt even bet on it in the 2nd round. As for return duties.. considering that we have a rather old starting CB in Glenn.. and an almost old starting FS in Coleman.. grabbing a CB that can challenge for a starting spot and also return kicks would be a better move than grabbing a WR to do it.

Antionio Perkins in the 3rd.
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The problem with Williamson is that he isn't that great of a route runner and his hands are only ok...These things can be corrected in time, but if we're looking for someone to immediately take pressure off of AJ, Williamson would not be that guy...The only two receivers that would demand attention from the defense are Braylon and Mike Williams...
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How can you people say WR is so important? Bradford's #2 role was not an intricate part of our success last year, what makes you think a rookie will this year?

Defense, Id rather have too much defensive talent rather than not enough because Receivers can be picked in later rounds plus you can have undrafted rookies come to camp and tryout.
Many of the NFLs quality recievers were not picked in the first round at all

I think everyone is under the assumption that another reciever means AJ wont be double covered. I dont buy that for a second we already picked our Blue Chip Receiver lucky for us it was Andre Johnson and not Charles Rogers.

Think about that or Santana Moss what if our speed burner gets injured we are back to square one and if he is like Rogers and Detroit that was a wasted Pick. In 2 seasons hes played a total of like 8 games. Id be rahter upset at our organization if we picked a speedster who cant stay healthy.
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WR is a position John McClain champions IF the Texans choose to go that route with Troy Williams. I'm seriously hoping either Cadillac or Cedric is available if they go offense. Defensivly the OLB position is strong @ #13 for the coveted 3-4 OLB in David Pollack. Cornerbacks are deep and two of my favorites should still be ripe for the picking in Carlos Rogers and Justin Miller. Justin is more a cover corner like Dunta and has been compared to Deion Sanders in style plus he led the nation in kick-off returns (double edge sword the type teams covet that eat up dual positions for salary cap reasons). Carlos is bigger & faster than Rolle & very physical I would think that both are options. We'll just have to keep our eyes and ears peeled to see who the Texans bring in to work out over the next three weeks, then maybe we will have a better idea
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The only round 1 offensive need would be OT because if we have the same weak line we did this year our offense with another speedy stud will be like having 2 ferraris at home but taking the bus to work.
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The only round 1 offensive need would be OT because if we have the same weak line we did this year our offense with another speedy stud will be like having 2 ferraris at home but taking the bus to work.
I disagree...Upgrading the RG and C play is more vital to this team's success than upgrading the tackles...Our interior line play last year was horrendous, but the tackle play was decent...
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if any of the top 3 RBs fell to us.. that would be a tempting pick to make. Though it would also be tempting to use that as leverage for a nice trade down.
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this is a VERY good draft for interior linemen. I think we will definatly pick one up in the 3rd, maybe 4th.. depending on who is available.

I think we are set at RT.. but I dont think Wands play last year was very good... but he is new.. and no one we could draft this year would be any better than him, so I think we should stick with it.

I wouldnt be against giving Rob Pettit a good long look though.. he could possibly be available in the 4th round. He isnt what you would call an elite prospect.. but he did shutdown Dwight Freeney in college.. so he may be worth that 4th round pick considering we face Dwight twice a year.
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Assuming we can't get Baas, the two lineman I'd like to see us draft are Chris Spencer, C, Ole Miss and Marcus Johnson, G/T, Ole Miss...They both could end up being really special players...
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the way I see it.. unless Edwards or Williams falls to us.. no one we draft will make an immediate impact, nor are they likely to be a big upgrade over Bradford. SO.. next season we will most likely see a setup with the #2 WR duties being shared by Gaffney, Armstrong, and possibly Starling. And also possibly by a rookie WR if we draft one.

But, im with you that it is NOT likely in the 1st round, and honestly I wouldnt even bet on it in the 2nd round. As for return duties.. considering that we have a rather old starting CB in Glenn.. and an almost old starting FS in Coleman.. grabbing a CB that can challenge for a starting spot and also return kicks would be a better move than grabbing a WR to do it.

Antionio Perkins in the 3rd.

Agreed. Need a Burner to help stretch the middle of the feild. You need a can opener to crack open some of the two deeps in this division. Whether that WR will be in the form of a guy like Williamson, Perkins, or for that matter Matt Jones at HB or Sproles out of the slot, I don't think it is as critical this year because of the Depeth at WR in this years draft and the developement of Armstrong. While it is true there aren't as many prototypical WR studs in this draft. It is also true that this years draft is a Baskins Robin's for WR's. All shapes and all flavors . If they fill other needs first and came back to WR in Day two I would have no problem with that. Sometimes you gotta roll the dice with the folks on your roster. Whether they pony up a #1 pick or hold they're water untill day two, there should be plenty of tallent to fill the need. There were a lot of great times posted at the combine.
I stand to be corrected but this class might of been the fastest overall, ever. The fact of the matter is that AJ should be getting most of the targets in our passing offense anyway.
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How can you people say WR is so important? Bradford's #2 role was not an intricate part of our success last year, what makes you think a rookie will this year?
We lost 1 game by 3 points... 2 by a touchdown.. 1 by 8 and 1 by 9 last year.
Imagine what if ... Bradford could draw the could double coverage or we have a solitified #2... i think we were a playoff team..... We could of easily wont 3 other games... thats puts us 10-6 we had Jags #, I think we would made the playoffs and thats the goal.
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We lost 1 game by 3 points... 2 by a touchdown.. 1 by 8 and 1 by 9 last year.
Imagine what if ... Bradford could draw the could double coverage or we have a solitified #2... i think we were a playoff team..... We could of easily wont 3 other games... thats puts us 10-6 we had Jags #, I think we would made the playoffs and thats the goal.
If you want to get into what ifs, then what if DD didn't have his fumbling problem at the beginning of the year? What if Carr didn't throw 2 INTs against San Diego? What if Babin sacked Peyton and broke his right arm on the first play of our first game against the Dolts? What if we had any pass protection?

Bottom line is Bradford wasn't an impact player and Dom wants to turn the O run-heavy, so we don't need a #2 WR...
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If not anything this draft will at least allow us to speculate ad infinitum for the next five weeks maybe we can come to some kind of concensus on where we'll go with #1. Considering we could use a wr,te,ol,maybe rb and that's only offense this could easily turn into a big runaround but we'll see. Since this is a wr topic I'll try not to venture far from that and think realistically what would happen if we did go offense. I have already clamored enough about Clayton over Williamson but is a WR that logical of an option. It seemed to me Armstrong showed a lot of potential last year and since it often takes a few years for a wr to develop he could be our guy. Of course I just noticed he didn't have more than one catch in the last eight games of the year so that likelihood is hardly a lock. I think the Texans will give Joppru one more year before they make another big investment at TE surely not at #13. I think with the depth in o-line we'll hold off until later rounds which leaves wr and rb. DD worries me I feel he could go down anytime but unless one of the big three falls to us and I doubt they will we don't go rb. Steven Jackson fell a lot further than anybody imagined last year so if there was a big surprise in who fell my best guess would be Cadillac. Miami and Arizona will grab a rb but only Chicago and Tampa Bay are other teams who might and they're not incredibly desperate there and could both easily go wr. This scenario is definitely possible but still unlikely which leaves us to wr. It's safe to say another stud wr seems attractive and with the top two gone that leaves us with a couple choices. Considering our #1 needs to be a skill position if we want immediate impact and despite the chances Armstrong and Gaffney can contribute effectively I have to think if and that's a big if we go offense it is at wr and that leaves us at welcome Mark Clayton our newest Texan.
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I agree wholeheartedly we shouldn't go WR with our #1 unless Edwards or Williams is there (which they won't be). After them, the second tier is a cr*pshoot so I'd hope CC picks one up in the 3rd or 4th depending on what other defensive talent is available. Bradford's only asset was his speed so if he can't stretch the field maybe that's not what we need. I'd rather have a possession reciever that has hands of glue and a head of steel to catch short passes (instead of DD). Think Stokley, Chrebet, etc.
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i dont understand DE in 1st.... or LB... we have Payne, Walker, Smith, Wong, Babin, Greenwood, Peek. I see a some 3rd round depth there maybe

S- Earl is there now... He has earned that position.... We will get a 4th round depth here.

OL- we need some depth there i think prob #1 need

WR- #2 need. We have 2 replace bradford. We need some 1 to stretch field and some to take double coverages off of Johnson. It can open up the running game

Te will prob be a late round picl
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Drafting a WR in the early rounds doesnt seem to be the solution IMO. If we could improve the interior OL Carr would have more time to go through his reads and bradford(or Armstrong IMO) would get better numbers. I like the idea of getting a tight end but I dont like the tightend prospects in the draft, maybe joppru will contribute this season...fingers crossed on that one
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The problem with Williamson is that he isn't that great of a route runner and his hands are only ok...These things can be corrected in time, but if we're looking for someone to immediately take pressure off of AJ, Williamson would not be that guy...The only two receivers that would demand attention from the defense are Braylon and Mike Williams...
Not to mention a TE like a Joppru, or a Heath Miller.
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i believe that with the first round we will be drafting the BPA no matter what position with the exception of QB, K, or P

i believe second or third round recievers are great quality right now...we have available fred gibson, reggie brown, and matt jones...all three i think would make great additions to our receiving corp...gibson and brown have tons of experience and were very productive...matt jones is one of those physical freaks who probably could be the next drew bennett...tall and athletic...and very impossing redzone threat
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