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Old 03-19-2005   #41
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If he is on the field and playing with some consistancy by the end of the year he will be fine. He will basically be a rookie with (I hope) a good understanding of the playbook. If he can wind up getting say 1/2 the snaps by the end of the year, I think we are "OK". If he isn't on the field very much by the end of the year, he is likely a washout. It won't be his fault, just how the injury played out. Tough for him AND the team. Has/had a lot of potential if healthy.
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has anyone seen or heard anything on him, I know what Casserly said ...BUT he is King of Smoke and Mirrors
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At this point does Joppru have an advantage over a rookie . I can't think of a situation like this before .

Was'nt Garrison Hearst injured for a couple of years with a knee then an ankle ?
I was wondering the same thing. When it comes to conditioning the college players has the advantage but Bennie has the intellence advantage. The hopes are that he can get his game speed back. The thoght of detaching a groin from the bone makes me cringe. I cant imagine continuing to play NFL football after something like that. Sprots Docs are amazing these days (except for whoever got ahold of Boselli).
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Love the optimism. I really hope you're right. But this has been a looooooooooong recovery and I have to think that even the hands will take a while to get up to NFL proficiency.
This was an unusual injury that was apparrently also unusually severe and I'm still not totally clear on what happened last year - did he have a repeat of
the the origional '03 injury, was it somehow a related but different injury than the '03 problem , or was last year a new and unrelated injury to '03.
At any rate, let me be another voice of optimism. He is running OK and that is
the problem with a groin injury, you can't run without pain. So I don't think its
a contact related injury - he just needs to get into "football shape" again.
But having 2 years off from contact, his body is really sorta 2 years younger than what it would be had he gone thru 2 NFL campaigns, - so that's a plus.
But consider the amazing resiliance young pro athlete's have - Terrel Owens
is testimony to that. In what 2 months, 6 weeks, whatever he's in the SB after sustaining the kind of injury he did. So I think we have room for optimism - but guarded optimism.
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I think the offense will be fine if we ever have an LT who doesn't get replaced on passing downs (Wand) and a TE who doesn't get replaced on running downs (Miller). Well, I guess you could look at it another way... Bruener gets replaced on passing downs...
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miller is good at catching i just wish he was as good on protection, all around like Tony. G !
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like i said earlier...if joppru can come in during training camp and take the starting TE job he will have a productive "rookie" year...he will be in on all downs even the passing downs and i think he'll be effective in our passing game...he won't have a year like antonio gates did this year...but you can probably expect around 300yds recieving and around 3tds...i think the major role he'll have will be on play action passes
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he won't have a Gates year no matter what.. why you ask? Joppru wouldnt' have to be a star, just a threat.. S.D. doesnt' have an AJ ..All Joppru has to do is take pressure off of AJ (same as Gaffney or whoever) and HELP open the field up for AJ to break open that dreaded cover 2.... way it is now we tip our hand when we have Brunner or Miller in... IF Joppru is as good as advertised and can catch AND block we don't tip our hand.
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I don't think you can even compare Gates and Joppru.
Joppru wasnt a basketball talent/leaper.

If you want to compare him to a good quality tight end the comparison would be a mild mannered Jeremy Shockey. Excellent route runner with good hands decent speed, as well as size to block.
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If we wanted a basketball player, we would've kept Rashod Kent...

I agree that a Joppru/Gates comparison is ridiculous; they are completely different players...

If I had to compare him to someone, it would be Todd Heap...Good hands, decent blocker, decent speed...
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At least BJ showed up for practice, so he's started down the trail to be an active Texan. I hope he's able to get in shape and show what he's capable of doing on the turf.
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Has anybody heard on the condition of him and if he is going to be alright for this season?
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According to Casserly, he's looking good in practice...

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The team is also still awaiting a return on the second-round investments they made in tight end Bennie Joppru and running back Tony Hollings.

Joppru has missed each of his first two years because of a groin injury, and Hollings also has battled injuries, playing in just 21 games in two seasons.

"The grade is incomplete on those guys," Casserly said.

"If you take a guy who has a history of injuries and he doesn't play, shame on you. If you take a guy who has never been hurt, and then all of a sudden he gets hurt, you just have to chalk that up to bad luck. Both of those guys have ability.

"Tony has shown it, and Bennie has shown it on the practice field, and he's fine now."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3138648

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That's really good to see/hear/read...Hopefully both will make a positive impact this year and prove to be worth what we invested in them...
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I'm quite capable of making positive comments, but the Texans usually find a way to burn you when you do with misinformation. Right now, there is a big positive in that they say BJ is healthy. Is that fact, fiction or smoke? I hope he is healthy, because he could really help us a great deal. The best rated TE in the draft has similar problems that BJ has and I don't believe he has the skills that BJ has. Therefore if BJ is healthy and able to play, it would be like signing a number 1 TE draft pick who's better than any TE on the board. What makes me nervous, however, is that Texans have been less than candid concerning the health of players before. BJ could make a very big difference. He can block and he has great hands. We don't have to switch players with BJ regardless of the play. That would be an extemely big plus for our team.

I posted this a little while ago in another forum, but I will add it here since I get so much criticizm. I to am going by what Cass says, but don't forget Hollings and Mr. B. I really hope they are being honest with us. He really could make a tremendous difference for us.
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Ive read alot of good posts on here, and now ill give my oppinion. I agree that having BJ in the game would help us cause the defense wouldnt be able to key in on what we're doing (like Miller or Breuner). I personally havent seen him play very much, so i can comment on how much talent he has. I think that the reason our TE's didnt catch many passes last year is because Capers was trying to break Carr of the habit of just looking for the TE and not AJ. Im not saying that is the only reason, but I do believe that the Dominator was trying to get Carr and AJ to build chemisty. If you remember, b4 last season, about 1/2 of Carr's passes would go straight to the TE for 5-6 yard gains b4 he would even look at AJ or Bradford. Well, thats my 10 cents, and ill b waiting for all of you to say that im wrong.
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eh.. this draft sucks at TE.. I honestly wouldnt use a pick on any of them except possibly Matt Jones.

I think we are better off just trying to find a diamond in the rough in the 6th or 7th round.. or trying to pick one up in a hurry through FA.

really though.. we have Gaffney, Armstrong, and DD.. all of them are capable of doing the duties of a receiving TE. So I dont think we will be dead in the water without a good TE.. but i do think we need to try to do something about it by next year if Joppru doesnt step up.
I think Matt Jones is going to be a WR, not a TE. He does not have the blocking skills to be a TE. Remember, he's been a QB. Don't think he has had to throw more than 2 or 3 blocks in his whole career.
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I dont want to believe NOTHING! I'll know his healthy when he starts in Buffalo. I have said alot of things about TEs and the draft, but somehow we need to draft a TE in the first day.
I wouldn't be against that...Even if Joppru is healthy, there is no telling how well he will play after being away from football for two years...If he performs well, then what harm is having two good TEs? Bruener and Miller are both FAs after 2006, and I think a "changing of the guard" is in order...
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Rather than starting a new thread on this, I thought it appropriate to tack this onto the back of a meandering thread. Give it the weight it deserves.
Frist, the draft is an inexact science. There is more art to it than science. You get in a room with all the guys crunch the numbers. look at the emperical data, in the end, you make the best guess you can. I understand what John Lopeze's function in the Houston chronicle is. He is a bomb thrower designed to sell papers. That's his rice bowl. The fact that I only have to put up with him twice a year , durring the draft and durring the start of the season, makes him tollerable to me. What I would lke to know from Mr. Lopez is where the heck have you been all off season ? Where is your Mock draft ? Who should the Texan's select with the thirteen ? Do they hold it ? Do they move up or down ? You know the article this morning, really got me. Go back to you're first loves JL, leave us alone. You know squat bout the game and less about the draft. Stick with the things you know about.
CC has done a good job on the whole. Injuries are part of it. One year, the Old Oilers lost an entire backfeild befor the end of september. They had to claim guys off the waiver wire and all of that. We got a second round jinx. Bad Mojo, whatever. We got to have a tightend to strech a two deep zone. Period. That IS Dungy's baby. A two Deep zone, he is one of the masters of the two deep zone. . Fischer likes it too. The dump off passes are are productive, but untill we get a guy that can strech the tdz in the seem, we will contilually be 8-8. That's what breaks tdz down. Guys in the seem making plays. We ain't got none of those guys yet. BJ might be.
As far as Matt Jones is concerned, he is a very intrigueing prospect. The only negitive I see in the guy is thst he still wants to be an NFL QB. If he's heart isn't in the switch, that spells trouble to me. You can teach guys to block. You can't teach them to run 4.39's forties in the seem of tdz's. So in the second do you take a chance at the guy, shore up the o-line, pick the WR if you pass on him in the first ? Pick the swing D-lineman to help the grey beard ? I don't know what they're going to do. That's what makes it fun. Biggest poker game on the planet. I just hate cheep skate moochers entering the game late. . Maybe parasite is a better term.
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I would like to know where I said that he would be Antonio Gates? Many of you criticized me for saying he was going to be AG and what I said is that he would have that type of impact, an impact on our offense as a whole. He has great hands, good speed, good blocking, and great intensity. If the guy comes back and contributes the way I believe he will that will open our offense w/ more options and less focus on our key guys. I agree with 3 toed pete about the zone that Indy plays and BJ will help us beat that ****. I personally hate Michigan but I have always liked Joppru. I am trying to be a glass half full guy here and all the negativity from certain people should just push the off button on your computer and go away because it will get us no where. You might as well pour beer on Bennie!
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