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Old 03-17-2005   #1
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*EDIT* This post is proof I should never be a GM. My math is wrong.. and this trade sucks.


#1(19th) David Pollack
#3a(66th) Chris Canty
#3b(73rd) Eric Shelton
#3c(78th) Jason Brown
#3d(81st) Rob Pettit (*edit* and i put the wrong guy here. changed it)
#4 (#?) Boomer Grigsby


We would be lucky to have Chris Canty and Eric Shelton fall to us.

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*EDIT* Sorry this isnt a "mock".. it was originally going to be but I found i didnt have time to do it . so, its more like a "my crazy picks" than "my crazy mock draft" I hit submit before i remember to change the title.



Just for Sh**s and Giggles.. I was thinking, what if we traded our 1st, 2nd, and Sharper to the Rams for their 1st and both 3rds.

#1(19th) David Pollack
#3a(66th) Chris Canty
#3b(73rd) Eric Shelton
#3c(78th) Jason Brown
#3d(81st) Rob Pettit (*edit* and i put the wrong guy here. changed it)
#4 (#?) Boomer Grigsby


We would be lucky to have Chris Canty and Eric Shelton fall to us.


just a thought.

I'm not sure I like the idea. In essence we'd be trading down six picks in the first round, trading our second round pick for the Ram's third, and getting thier extra third round pick. Plus we'll throw in Sharper?
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I'm not sure I like the idea. In essence we'd be trading down six picks in the first round, trading our second round pick for the Ram's third, and getting thier extra third round pick. Plus we'll throw in Sharper?
Agreed...It doesn't seem like anything close to an even trade-off...
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from a points perspective.. its a fairly even trade.

our first and second = 1630

their first, and two thirds = 1845

making sharpers worth 215, or a mid 3rd rounder.


not bad considering this draft will probably be more expensive to trade down than up.
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it still doesnt seem very fair does it? we are essentially trading down 6 spaces in the first, 19 spaces in the second, and giving them sharper for the 81st pick in the 3rd.

yah.. amazingly it adds up mathmatically though :P
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aha!!! looking at it that way made me check my math.. the stupid chart I was looking at was wonky and I was counting their 3rd rounders as second rounders! BOOYA!

your right this trade sucks.. ignore it! bad trade! im going back to my corner
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same premise.. we could make the trade except we give them our first and second and sharper for their 1st, 2nd and 2 3rds.

that would be more even. unfortunatly I doubt that St Louis would trade their entire 1st day draft for Sharper and the 13th and 47th pick.. they may though.. never know
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aha!!! looking at it that way made me check my math.. the stupid chart I was looking at was wonky and I was counting their 3rd rounders as second rounders! BOOYA!

your right this trade sucks.. ignore it! bad trade! im going back to my corner
Well hey if it means anything, I liked the players you had us drafting.
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#1(19th) David Pollack
#3a(66th) Chris Canty
#3b(73rd) Eric Shelton
#3c(78th) Jason Brown
#3d(81st) Rob Pettit (*edit* and i put the wrong guy here. changed it)
#4 (#?) Boomer Grigsby


We would be lucky to have Chris Canty and Eric Shelton fall to us.
y would we trade down if Williamson WR of SC will be there... since its our biggest need
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Cause it isnt our biggest need, not by far.

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LOL good joke GRID... its a bigger need than a DL... We resigned the whole DL and payed them good money... trust me they wont sit.... stop thinking like a fan and think like a Owner. it wont happen

Williamson or Barron are pretty much are 2 choices if williamson is gone maybe a trade down or Clayton

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please.. give me ONE good reason why WR is a need?

IM thinking like a fan? how old is our DL? we have TWO very old and injured starting Dlinemen in Payne and Walker. Yah we resigned them.. how freaking long do you expect them to last? We need youth on the Dline cause either one of those two could go down with another injury at any time. And if they dont, they will probably only be with us for another season or two and it would be beneficial to us to have a young Dlineman that has been getting a little bit of playtime for the past year.

You seem to be under the impression that drafting a Dlineman means he will sit on the bench for a year and wont make an immediate impact. Have you ever watched a game? how often do you see Deloach and Ioane out there? pretty dang often. A rookie Dlineman would get plenty of playing time in our system.

and besides.. Pollack isnt a freaking dlineman.. he is an OLB Tweener. get your facts straight. and we DO need an OLB cause chances are, Peek is not what the coaches want at LOLB... otherwise he would have already been starting.

but you feel that WR is a bigger need.. why? cause its more exciting to watch? cause we lack talent at the position? are you off your rocker? we have Gaffney and Armstrong.. two VERY talented young players who showed ALOT last season.
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please.. give me ONE good reason why WR is a need?

IM thinking like a fan? how old is our DL? we have TWO very old and injured starting Dlinemen in Payne and Walker. Yah we resigned them.. how freaking long do you expect them to last? We need youth on the Dline cause either one of those two could go down with another injury at any time. And if they dont, they will probably only be with us for another season or two and it would be beneficial to us to have a young Dlineman that has been getting a little bit of playtime for the past year.

You seem to be under the impression that drafting a Dlineman means he will sit on the bench for a year and wont make an immediate impact. Have you ever watched a game? how often do you see Deloach and Ioane out there? pretty dang often. A rookie Dlineman would get plenty of playing time in our system.

and besides.. Pollack isnt a freaking dlineman.. he is an OLB Tweener. get your facts straight. and we DO need an OLB cause chances are, Peek is not what the coaches want at LOLB... otherwise he would have already been starting.

but you feel that WR is a bigger need.. why? cause its more exciting to watch? cause we lack talent at the position? are you off your rocker? we have Gaffney and Armstrong.. two VERY talented young players who showed ALOT last season.
Reasons y we dont need a DL... Walker, payne and smith makes over 4 mill apeice. you dont pay some one that kind of money to sit... you dont draft some one pay him more and sit him. This is why a Billionaire tryin to get rid of Sharpers contract would think.. If we had the $$$$ we would resign him and then maybe

Reasons y we need WR. Gaffney will never be better than #3. I dont think he has the capibility to stretch the field like a williamson or a clayton could. Gaffney is more of your over the middle or 10 yard and stop wide out. He isnt good enough to draw the double team to take that away from Johnson. YOu what about armstrong and Sterling... yeah what about them Armstrong is good but no #2... sterling myte not even make the team.... Gaffney doesnt make that good of money. I think if bradford had.. had a good season he would of gotten the money Williamson or Clayton would of gotten.

Reasons y OL could be drafted. Wand didnt do all that well last year. Alex Barron would be a good #1. If the lions dont take him.

Man i have been arguing this for days and like i have converted many to the fold... Just remember think like a Owner. You have a full team of DL makes millions of $$$. An empty WR position that we need to make room for Johnson and to draw the double team. An OL to give wand more time to develop.
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Royce.. dude.. quit with the "think like an owner" line cause honestly you arent saying anything very insightful.

yah.. we are paying 2 very old linemen alot of money...and the REASON we are paying big money is because we have no other choice. We have no younger, cheaper Dlinemen that can do their job. So we have to pay a couple of beat up veterans to stay and keep playing and hope like hell that they dont get injured. We need youth so that we can let one or both of them go and take some of that pressure off the cap. THEY....WOULD....NOT...SIT. at least not any more than they currently are. the young prospect would see about 1 snap in every 4. He would do what Deloach and Ioane are already doing.. he would give Walker and Payne a breather.

Stretching the field is not the job of the #2. You can make it his job but it is not necessary for the #2 receiver to stretch the field. His job is to get open and make catches. Force the defense to be wary of him so that they cannot gang up on your #1. SO.. a player such as Armstrong who can get open and make tough catches would be qualified to take the #2 spot. Now, im not a coach and neither are you (no matter how much you claim to think like one).. so there is no way to know if the coaches feel Gaffney or Armstrong can handle that kind of responsibility. But I know for a fact that there is no way that we as fans can say that they cant handle it, cause they have not done anything to show us otherwise. We havent even given them a shot at it :P.

WR is POSSIBLY a need.. but it is not a pressing need and the WR group that we have right now would be adequate enough for next season.


No wand didnt do real well.. he made lots of "newbie" mistakes. But he has good foot work and is the prototypical size, and we cant uproot our offensive line every season and expect them to suddenly do well. At some point we have to eventually say "this is our oline and we are going to make it work".. otherwise we are just gonna keep bringing in new people, they will never mesh, and our oline will continue to suck. The reason I dont agree with drafting Barron is because he is NOT an elite Oline prospect. he is possibly the best in this years draft.. but he is only an average prospect in comparison to the LTs already in the NFL. There will be much more valuable players in the first round of this years draft than Alex Barron.

You can argue it till your blue in the face, but its gonna take more than "gaffney cant stretch the field" to convince me that we need to use another high draft pick on a WR. BRADFORD could stretch the field.. it didnt seem to help us all that much last year did it? If there was another Andre Johnson or Roy Williams in this draft.. then I would be all for grabbing them if they fell to us, cause that is a valuable player to get at #13.. but Williamson is just Bradford II. Maybe he will be a better player in the long run, but I doubt he will be better this year, and we need youth on Defense more than offense.
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Whatever man i am not gonna argue with you but will be surprised on draft day. Thats all i have to say... o u know what call the Charles Casserly Show at 5 or 5:30 on is it 610 or 740 and he can break it down for u... since i appearent cant set u right
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if Casserly wasnt incredibly unpredictable id be tempted to make a bet with you.. cause honestly I think you are basing your picks on personal preference instead of any real knowledge of our needs or the players available in this draft.

but Casserly could Draft a QB in the first and Punter in the second for all I know, so it would be pretty pointless to try and predict one way or the other.

suffice to say I think you are entirely wrong in almost every opinion you have voiced :P
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Reasons y we dont need a DL... Walker, payne and smith makes over 4 mill apeice. you dont pay some one that kind of money to sit... you dont draft some one pay him more and sit him. This is why a Billionaire tryin to get rid of Sharpers contract would think.. If we had the $$$$ we would resign him and then maybe
I doubt they take DL at the #13 spot but the reason above is not why. It is just inaccurate to act like only the 3 starting DLmen see any action--substituting DLmen combined for 36 tackles last year, more than Walker had. Fact is you need more than 3 good DLmen. The Texans constantly rotate and change the DL both to show different looks and to keep them fresh. The #13 pick will not be hugely expensive, something like $2 mil a year average on the contract. NFL teams do draft guys where they have set and sometimes high paid starters already, i.e. where they will not be immediate starters--off the top of my head Larry Johnson, Chris Perry, Vince Wilfork, Vernon Carey, Ben Watson. 2 gap lineman have a longer learning curve as well so it would be very poor planning to wait until one of the starting three is leaving to start developing another.
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