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Old 08-23-2010   #1
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Of course this is wishful thinking on my part, even though it would be the way the conference could restore some credibilty and the competitive-level
and national respect from its peers.
The problem of course is what it always is - UT doesn't want to be challenged by any other teams(s), with the exception of Oklahoma and who knows how long they stay in the Big 12 ? UT got Nebraska out (BTW, the Cornhuskers are going to cream UT in Lincoln this fall - they want them like Tennessee wants USC/Kiffin in Knoxville). UT "thrives" on those schedules that start with Rice, would wouldn't ?
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That would mean playing on a blue football field during away games in Idaho.



Also, Idaho is a geographically undesirable location for most of the schools in the Big 12.

However, if these objections can be managed, then I think adding these two teams would be a great idea.
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Default Re: Big 12 should extend invitations to Boise State & TCU

Boise State is already going to the Mountain West. There are rumors that Conference USA will merge with the Mountain West and make a 16 team conference. Not sure yet how they get 16 doing that, but I'm assuming a few teams are going to be left out.
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That would mean playing on a blue football field during away games in Idaho.



Also, Idaho is a geographically undesirable location for most of the schools in the Big 12.

However, if these objections can be managed, then I think adding these two teams would be a great idea.
The plane ride from Austin or College Station to Boise would be maybe 60-75 minutes longer than to Boulder or Ames or Lincoln. And Boise is not in the mountains, it's high desert with less snow than Boulder, Ames, & Lincoln. So there shouldn't really be any geographical issues.
Can't help you with the blue field though and I know plety of people don't like it, but personally I do.
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Default Re: Big 12 should extend invitations to Boise State & TCU

Personally I dont think Texas OU or anyone else wants to add 2 really tough opponents like TCU or Boise because that hurts their BCS chances. Not to mention TCU would be getting more Dallas tallent that would normally go to OU or Texas if TCU were in the Big 12.

The blue field just needs to go. Awful awful awful.
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Of course this is wishful thinking on my part, even though it would be the way the conference could restore some credibilty and the competitive-level
and national respect from its peers.
The problem of course is what it always is - UT doesn't want to be challenged by any other teams(s), with the exception of Oklahoma and who knows how long they stay in the Big 12 ? UT got Nebraska out (BTW, the Cornhuskers are going to cream UT in Lincoln this fall - they want them like Tennessee wants USC/Kiffin in Knoxville). UT "thrives" on those schedules that start with Rice, would wouldn't ?
Lolz Nebraska left. UT didn't force them to go anywhere. They didn't hold a gun to Osborne's head and make him pay the Longhorns money. Nebraska got tired of getting their ass kicked every year, so they ditched schools they have been associated with for over a century and scampered off to be OSU's ***** instead. Good riddance.

BTW UT has been consistently adding quality non conference opponents, such as Notre Dame, BYU, UCLA, and others.

No way NU beats UT. Not without Suh. I don't care how pumped they are or how bad they want UT -- every team is pumped to play Texas. Nebraska has been pumped every time they played Texas for the last 20 years. They're still 1-8 against em.
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Lolz Nebraska left. UT didn't force them to go anywhere. They didn't hold a gun to Osborne's head and make him pay the Longhorns money. Nebraska got tired of getting their ass kicked every year, so they ditched schools they have been associated with for over a century and scampered off to be OSU's ***** instead. Good riddance.

BTW UT has been consistently adding quality non conference opponents, such as Notre Dame, BYU, UCLA, and others.

No way NU beats UT. Not without Suh. I don't care how pumped they are or how bad they want UT -- every team is pumped to play Texas. Nebraska has been pumped every time they played Texas for the last 20 years. They're still 1-8 against em.
UCLA? Seriously? This is football, not basketball. This is the same UCLA that went 7-6, 6-7, 4-8, and 7-6 the last 4 years. Are you seriously bragging about "quality" opponents and using UCLA as an exmple?

NU, and CU left because of the disparity in the Big XII and the arrogance of Texas. Same reason Mizzou and it's St. Louis TV market will bolt if/when the Big 10 invites ND and Mizzou and why A&M wants to go to the SEC. OU would also bail on the Big XII if it could rid itself of Ok. St. It can't, so it let tu get the OSU a place in the PAC 10.
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Idaho State? No, I don't even recognize them as a real team because of that dreadful blue field. If they are on TV and playing at home I always turn the channel. Yes, I hate that thing that bad. It doesn't even look like real football. No thank you.

I can live with TCU and I would prefer to see Houston in the Big 12.
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UCLA? Seriously? This is football, not basketball. This is the same UCLA that went 7-6, 6-7, 4-8, and 7-6 the last 4 years. Are you seriously bragging about "quality" opponents and using UCLA as an exmple?
They are a major school from a quality conference (that kicked the snot out of defending Rose Bowl representative OU in that 7-6 year, right?) They are unquestionably better than Rice (as are Notre Dame and BYU), thus it is should obviously follow that UT is not loading their schedule with sub par programs like Rice. They just finished a home and home with Ohio State for crying out loud. Every single major school schedules weak OOC. If you don't think non conference schedule that includes Notre Dame, BYU, UCLA, and some other school in a given year beats 90% of the non conference schedules in this country, you need to take a closer look at who schools schedule.

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NU, and CU left because of the disparity in the Big XII and the arrogance of Texas. Same reason Mizzou and it's St. Louis TV market will bolt if/when the Big 10 invites ND and Mizzou and why A&M wants to go to the SEC. OU would also bail on the Big XII if it could rid itself of Ok. St. It can't, so it let tu get the OSU a place in the PAC 10.
Umm Nebraska voted for that disparity and was a beneficiary of it. How did it cause them to leave? Unless you are talking about Nebraska allowing partial qualifiers or holding the CCG in Dallas, when they were the only school in the conference to vote the way they did. It wasn't just UT. They are just the big scapegoat that whiny programs like to blame when they can't accept their own bad coaching hires and poor decisions. It was Nebraska losing votes 11-1 and getting humiliated by UT on the field to top it off.

And A&M doesn't want to go to the SEC. A&M FANS do. Big difference. If A&M wanted to go, they allegedly had an invite. Just like Nebraska, A&M voted for the same economic disparity they are decrying, they benefited from it, and are still doing so, in fact.
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BTW UT has been consistently adding quality non conference opponents, such as Notre Dame, BYU, UCLA, and others.
No way NU beats UT.
BTW I see they open up this season playing that Sunbelt monster of the gridiron down in H-Town, the Rice Owls. And that's your idea of a "quality non conference opponent" ?
And up in Lincoln, the clocks only got 60 minutes on 'em.
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Idaho State? No, I don't even recognize them as a real team because of that dreadful blue field. If they are on TV and playing at home I always turn the channel. Yes, I hate that thing that bad. It doesn't even look like real football. No thank you.

I can live with TCU and I would prefer to see Houston in the Big 12.
Idaho State ? Hey man, that's downright hurtful !
But the thing is you gatta see that blue-field in person. It's a thing of beauty !
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BTW I see they open up this season playing that Sunbelt monster of the gridiron down in H-Town, the Rice Owls. And that's your idea of a "quality non conference opponent" ?
In their opening games:

Florida plays Miami. The one in Ohio, not the one in Florida.
Alabama plays San Jose State
OSU plays Marshall
Oklahoma plays Utah State, not Utah.
Nebraska plays Western Kentucky
A&M plays SFA, and will probably lose

Rice will probably be better than any of these opponents. What was your point again?
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And up in Lincoln, the clocks only got 60 minutes on 'em.
Yeah for some reason Nebraska fans didn't used to mind when referees actually paid attention to the clock:

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Aided by a kickoff out of bounds, FSU took over with excellent field position at their own 35 yard line. FSU's Heisman trophy winning quarterback Charlie Ward drove the Seminoles all the way to the Nebraska 3 yard line. The Huskers held and forced Bentley to kick his fourth field goal of the night, which was good, and FSU led 18-16 with just 21 seconds remaining.

Florida State players and coaches went wild on the sidelines, and were penalized for excessive celebration, costing them 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff. As a result, the Huskers were able to get a decent return and began their final possession at their own 43 yard line.

As time ran down, Frazier hit tight end Trumaine Bell for a 29 yard gain to the FSU 28 yard line. The clock ticked down to 0:00, setting off more chaos on the FSU sideline, complete with the compulsory Gatorade bath given to FSU coach Bobby Bowden.

However, referee John Soffey ruled that Bell was down with 1 second left on the clock, and ordered the field cleared, allowing Nebraska placekicker Byron Bennett an opportunity to kick the game winning field goal. But the 45 yard kick sailed wide left, preserving the 18-16 win for the Seminoles.
Yet again they demand that they be held to a different standard than everyone else. The only difference in the 1994 Orange Bowl and the Big 12 Championship was that Texas can hit a kick in the clutch while Nebraska couldn't. In both cases the refs made the correct call. The ball went out of bounds (or the player was down) with a second left. This is staggeringly obvious -- just watch the video.

Sorry, but displaced anger because a referee did what referees are supposed to do does not automatically mean your team will win the next game. They can get as upset about the right call being made all they want. It was still the right call.
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Umm Nebraska voted for that disparity and was a beneficiary of it. How did it cause them to leave? Unless you are talking about Nebraska allowing partial qualifiers or holding the CCG in Dallas, when they were the only school in the conference to vote the way they did. It wasn't just UT. They are just the big scapegoat that whiny programs like to blame when they can't accept their own bad coaching hires and poor decisions. It was Nebraska losing votes 11-1 and getting humiliated by UT on the field to top it off.
The disparity is in influence and revenue sharing. Texas was/is the big moneymaking program in the Big 12. As a result, they can pretty much do whatever they want and can get most of the South schools to go along. Why do you think Texas negotiated the PAC 10 agreement for 5 schools and then was shocked when A&M decided to look in the SEC and threatened to blackball them.

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A&M still has an invite, but it also has threats from Texas to blackball them and from the state legislature to pull state funding if they moved (which is ridiculous, but whatever). Bill Byrne doesn't want to move. The Board of Regents were in favor till Perry made it known he'd prefer to Texas and A&M to stick together and they complied. The major donors at A&M have made it very clear that if something doesn't change in the next 3-4 years, then they will be upset and pull their donations (yes, it's that serious).

The Big 12 is still very close to collapsing if another major conference makes a bold move. ESPN and FoxSports have promised increased payouts (but nothing in writing) to prevent them from having to renegotiate with an expanded SEC and Big 10, but if a major move is made, Beebe will be out of job.
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In their opening games:

Florida plays Miami. The one in Ohio, not the one in Florida.
Alabama plays San Jose State
OSU plays Marshall
Oklahoma plays Utah State, not Utah.
Nebraska plays Western Kentucky
A&M plays SFA, and will probably lose
Hey now, we aren't that bad. I'd bet good money or good beer the Aggies win that game!
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The disparity is in influence and revenue sharing. Texas was/is the big moneymaking program in the Big 12. As a result, they can pretty much do whatever they want and can get most of the South schools to go along. Why do you think Texas negotiated the PAC 10 agreement for 5 schools and then was shocked when A&M decided to look in the SEC and threatened to blackball them.
Well, that's what I am talking about. A&M and Nebraska both voted for a disparity in revenue sharing. It's like the Cubs or Red Sox bitching about the Yankees having too large of a payroll. You serious Clark?



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The Big 12 is still very close to collapsing if another major conference makes a bold move. ESPN and FoxSports have promised increased payouts (but nothing in writing) to prevent them from having to renegotiate with an expanded SEC and Big 10, but if a major move is made, Beebe will be out of job.
See, I guess I'm just strange. I value tradition and history in college sports. I think that wherever UT or A&M goes they should stick together, just like OU and OSU or KU and KSU. UT will have their down years. When they do, games against OU and A&M will still mean something. Will Nebraska versus Purdue or Northwestern resonate the same way when the Huskers are going through a mediocre season?

Would have thought an Aggie especially would feel the same way.
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Hey now, we aren't that bad. I'd bet good money or good beer the Aggies win that game!
Just needling Stemp. A&M might eke out a 3 point victory or so. Hopefully it's not on a last second FG or a bunch of bandwagon conspiracy theorists will claim the refs handed it to A&M.

Better watch out next year if that happens. SFA will be mighty upset, and might topple the Ags if they run into each other again. After all, we all know that emotional frustration is way more important than top 3 recruiting classes every year when it comes to winning football games.

All Nebraska managed to do in the offseason was lose one of the greatest D Lineman in CFB history. They took a step back and are not a top 10 team this year IMO. I think Muschamp's defense will score almost as many points as Nebraska's offense in that game. They were absolutely horrible offensively last year, and they didn't improve.
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What was your point again?
And TCU opens vs Oregon State and BSU @ Virginia Tech, which are both quality opponents, while Rice isn't. That's my point. Again !
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See, I guess I'm just strange. I value tradition and history in college sports. I think that wherever UT or A&M goes they should stick together, just like OU and OSU or KU and KSU. UT will have their down years. When they do, games against OU and A&M will still mean something. Will Nebraska versus Purdue or Northwestern resonate the same way when the Huskers are going through a mediocre season?

Would have thought an Aggie especially would feel the same way.
I think A&M is in a place where they need to go their own way. No matter how good A&M is and how bad Texas is, A&M has been seen as the "little brother". Just look back at the 80's. Plus, there is a LOT of money to be made by both schools for annual out of conference games between them instead of being under the conference TV contract, especially in football and basketball. Plus, I think Texas would prefer to be a Big fish in a smaller pond.

Honestly, I see the Big 10 inviting ND and Mizzou to start this off. Then A&M bolts to the SEC, unless the legislature ties them together in the next session. If OU can shake lose of OSU, they go to the SEC as well. Texas then goes to either the PAC 10 or wrangles an invite from the Big 10 as well. If they go PAC 10 they drag along Texas Tech and possibly OSU. All the rest will get picked up by mid-major conferences, which will suck for KU because of their basketball tradition.
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And TCU opens vs Oregon State and BSU @ Virginia Tech, which are both quality opponents, while Rice isn't. That's my point. Again !
Holy Lord look at Boise State's entire schedule. VT is the only decent team they play:

Virginia Tech
@Wyoming
Oregon State
@ New Mexico State
Toledo
@San Jose State
Louisiana Tech
Hawaii
@Idaho
Fresno State
@ Nevada
Utah State

I'm thinking their schedule will be below UT's next year.

Fun fact -- out of Bama, Florida, and UT, Texas had the strongest strength of schedule last year
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Just needling Stemp. A&M might eke out a 3 point victory or so. Hopefully it's not on a last second FG or a bunch of bandwagon conspiracy theorists will claim the refs handed it to A&M.

Better watch out next year if that happens. SFA will be mighty upset, and might topple the Ags if they run into each other again. After all, we all know that emotional frustration is way more important than top 3 recruiting classes every year when it comes to winning football games.

All Nebraska managed to do in the offseason was lose one of the greatest D Lineman in CFB history. They took a step back and are not a top 10 team this year IMO. I think Muschamp's defense will score almost as many points as Nebraska's offense in that game. They were absolutely horrible offensively last year, and they didn't improve.
I think NU is down as well, but Texas lost a lot of weapons as well and has a QB played well in the NC game but lost his receivers and much of his OL. Tech is going to lose games they should win and win a game or 2 they should lose. The Big 12 is really a mystery this year with no clear front-runner. It SHOULD be A&M with Johnson making a run at the Heisman, but the defensive is still a questions mark with a new DC.
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