Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-15-2010   #1
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
 
dalemurphy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Austin
Section: Bullpen/ 636
Age: 41
Posts: 5,860
Rep Power: 70559 dalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

with the help of my Digital Video Recorder, I just completed a fairly comprehensive review of the 1st and 2nd team interior line play from last night (those who know me may be surprised with my grading of Kasey Studdard):

Texans Bull Blog
__________________
obsessive, passionate coverage of our beloved Texans at : Texans Bull Blog
dalemurphy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2010   #2
ObsiWan
Site Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 63
Posts: 14,921
Rep Power: 274452 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

What's the first paragraph say? there's an ad I can't get rid of covering it up.
:o/
ObsiWan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2010   #3
J_R
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,645
Rep Power: 2074 J_R is a quality contributor and well respectedJ_R is a quality contributor and well respectedJ_R is a quality contributor and well respectedJ_R is a quality contributor and well respectedJ_R is a quality contributor and well respectedJ_R is a quality contributor and well respectedJ_R is a quality contributor and well respectedJ_R is a quality contributor and well respectedJ_R is a quality contributor and well respectedJ_R is a quality contributor and well respectedJ_R is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Quote:
I just finished going through the first half of the game via DVR and watching/rewatching the interior line. I used a grading system to track each player. First, I will give you some raw data and then discuss more about the specifics of each performance. I graded the two guards and center each play with a score between +2 and -2. On one play, I couldn’t help but hand out a -3, but more on that later. I weeded out plays like the end around and an unsuccessful screen pass, where the performance of the offensive line was irrelevant. So, here you go:
First Paragraph
J_R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2010   #4
ObsiWan
Site Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 63
Posts: 14,921
Rep Power: 274452 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonSportsFan09 View Post
First Paragraph
thanks
ObsiWan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2010   #5
b0ng
Ooops
 
b0ng's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Age: 34
Posts: 7,824
Rep Power: 86293 b0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Good dissection, I just cannot see the guard play from the first stringers as much more than OK. I think the pass pro I'd going to be alright again this year but the interior running game is making me dabble in other psychoactive substances. Substances like bleach.
__________________
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
http://www.thedrawplay.com/?p=88
b0ng is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2010   #6
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
 
TheRealJoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Conroe
Age: 27
Posts: 3,688
Rep Power: 15340 TheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respectedTheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respectedTheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respectedTheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respectedTheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respectedTheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respectedTheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respectedTheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respectedTheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respectedTheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respectedTheRealJoker is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to TheRealJoker
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Good writeup. I am excited about Caldwell finally breaking into the starting rotation on the interior OL. I was worried last season that he couldn't get significant PT with all the injuries on the interior, but I am encouraged by his play last night and hopeful moving forward.

He's got the strength we have lacked in the interior to get push in short yardage situations and will help Chris Meyers against the big NTs/DTs that have been a matchup problem for our center.

I think runs to the right side will be money this season with Caldwell and Winston clearing the way!!!
__________________
What did the city of Houston do to anger the football gods?
TheRealJoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2010   #7
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
 
dalemurphy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Austin
Section: Bullpen/ 636
Age: 41
Posts: 5,860
Rep Power: 70559 dalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRealJoker View Post
Good writeup. I am excited about Caldwell finally breaking into the starting rotation on the interior OL. I was worried last season that he couldn't get significant PT with all the injuries on the interior, but I am encouraged by his play last night and hopeful moving forward.

He's got the strength we have lacked in the interior to get push in short yardage situations and will help Chris Meyers against the big NTs/DTs that have been a matchup problem for our center.

I think runs to the right side will be money this season with Caldwell and Winston clearing the way!!!
Something I didn't mention in the article is that Caldwell pulled to the left in two of the first quarter running plays.. and, I think Studdard pulled a couple times as well. Something to watch as the preseason advances is to pay attention to running game wrinkles and at least some divergence from the zone running plays. I expect there will be a greater variety of running plays this season.
__________________
obsessive, passionate coverage of our beloved Texans at : Texans Bull Blog
dalemurphy is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 08-15-2010   #8
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
 
The Pencil Neck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
Age: 52
Posts: 18,726
Rep Power: 321362 The Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Quote:
Originally Posted by dalemurphy View Post
Something I didn't mention in the article is that Caldwell pulled to the left in two of the first quarter running plays.. and, I think Studdard pulled a couple times as well. Something to watch as the preseason advances is to pay attention to running game wrinkles and at least some divergence from the zone running plays. I expect there will be a greater variety of running plays this season.
Yeah, that's a good point. To me, the running game looked like it mixed the classic zone stuff with some straight ahead power types of plays. But I haven't really sat down and studied the game that closely.
The Pencil Neck is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2010   #9
76Texan
Hall of Fame
 
76Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,560
Rep Power: 83970 76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck View Post
Yeah, that's a good point. To me, the running game looked like it mixed the classic zone stuff with some straight ahead power types of plays. But I haven't really sat down and studied the game that closely.
We're adding a few different elements to the blocking scheme.
(Or at least, experimenting with things as any team might do).

We were disguising pass blocking for a run and vice versa.
From tackle to tackle!

Give Studdard a break, folks!
They were doing a lot of different stuffs in there.

For example, I like how they line up the Guard(s) back a bit more than usual, before they pull.
Neither Caldwell nor Studdard is exceptionally quick (for a guard in the ZBS).
This allows them to get to the other side quicker.
It doesn't give away the farm, because in the normal ZBS scheme, they can be prepared for a cut block just as well.

They were doing a lot of different stuffs in there...
I like it!
76Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2010   #10
C Madd
Veteran
 
C Madd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Austin
Age: 32
Posts: 493
Rep Power: 4156 C Madd is a quality contributor and well respectedC Madd is a quality contributor and well respectedC Madd is a quality contributor and well respectedC Madd is a quality contributor and well respectedC Madd is a quality contributor and well respectedC Madd is a quality contributor and well respectedC Madd is a quality contributor and well respectedC Madd is a quality contributor and well respectedC Madd is a quality contributor and well respectedC Madd is a quality contributor and well respectedC Madd is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Quote:
Originally Posted by ObsiWan View Post
What's the first paragraph say? there's an ad I can't get rid of covering it up.
:o/
Obsi, do you use Firefox? If so, you should try getting the AdBlock Plus add-on. Should eliminate the ads covering up the blog plus all others.

Another great write-up, dale. I need to just bookmark the site since the content is always interesting. Keep up the good work.
C Madd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2010   #11
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
 
The Pencil Neck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
Age: 52
Posts: 18,726
Rep Power: 321362 The Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Quote:
Originally Posted by 76Texan View Post
Give Studdard a break, folks!
They were doing a lot of different stuffs in there.
You gotta admit, though, on the play that was originally called a fumble by AJ, Studdard got pantsed in pass pro. The DL he was going against put a swim move on him that left him grabbing at air. We were lucky that was such a quick pass and we were lucky Schaub was able to get it off because Studdard didn't even slow that guy down.

I'm not saying he didn't have some good plays but that was almost a disaster on his part.
The Pencil Neck is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2010   #12
76Texan
Hall of Fame
 
76Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,560
Rep Power: 83970 76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck View Post
You gotta admit, though, on the play that was originally called a fumble by AJ, Studdard got pantsed in pass pro. The DL he was going against put a swim move on him that left him grabbing at air. We were lucky that was such a quick pass and we were lucky Schaub was able to get it off because Studdard didn't even slow that guy down.

I'm not saying he didn't have some good plays but that was almost a disaster on his part.
Oh, no doubt Studdard could do better.
However, the different spacing between linemen changed with pretty much every play. (And also where the Rb should be).
It's not like something we did all the times and Studdard failed at it.
You try something different, your margin of error grows!
76Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2010   #13
BigBull17
Hall of Fame
 
BigBull17's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Alvin
Age: 33
Posts: 5,097
Rep Power: 9755 BigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respectedBigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respectedBigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respectedBigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respectedBigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respectedBigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respectedBigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respectedBigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respectedBigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respectedBigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respectedBigBull17 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

I didn't get a good look at Smith. Glad to see he played well for us.
__________________
There are no strings on me.
BigBull17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2010   #14
badboy
Site Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Clear Lake
Posts: 23,875
Rep Power: 183943 badboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Grading out the Texans interior OLine vs. Arizona

Dale, thanks for info as I rated the effort of the ones as a C+ as a group. You evidently saw more than I. I thought Studdard was average at best & the entire line did not move anyone back overall. Myers was Myers and I also do not see Smith beating him out. I thought Caldwell did pretty well but still below what I want to see. I was hoping to see Slaton running to the right behind Caldwell & Winston this season.
__________________
I want to be able to recognize the difference between a "want" and a "need" and then I want to be satisfied with getting a need
badboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger