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Old 03-15-2005   #1
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Default Think the Texans will trade up?

I hope so, I would love to see DJ in TEXA$ still!!!
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i think the fact that we may be getting pace and giving up 2 draft picks, prolly makes it to where we prolly wont land DJ !!
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Well the hot rumor now is we wont be getting Pace. So if we dont get Pace, trade up or no?
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still wouldnt, from the looks of things we have or LBs, we really need some DL and OL. And DJ cant fill those voids for us !
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Look on CBS Sportsline. They have an article stating the Rams have no interest in trading Pace and they have already stated this to the Texans. We really need to trade up using our fourth round pick, decent grade player, and our pick to acquire DJ.
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our best bet would be to go for DJ and trade sharper to upgrade Oline. IMO wand will get better but we need to find a better center...if carr has time in the pocket to make reads, the #2 and #3 receivers will flourish.

a solid center = a solid O line
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still wouldnt, from the looks of things we have or LBs, we really need some DL and OL. And DJ cant fill those voids for us !

True, but I believe we need a playmaker on our defense that can create a pass rush. DJ is the BPA to me as far as what we need the most in this draft. DL and OL are probably bigger needs, but in this particular draft, we are not gonna find anyone that can immediately help us at OL or DL better than DJ can at LB. A playmaker is what I think we need the most. Solve our OL/DL woes with the Sharper trade/Free Agency. Trade up for DJ and use the remaining picks to provide future starters at OL and DL as well as depth in the secondary and at WR. Maybe throw in a kick returner (I really like Antonio Perkins)
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Based on the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart (pasted in below), if we trade up without adding in players (which would be preferable but would be harder to make a deal), then these are a few options I see:

I would try to deal our #13 and a 3rd for #9 -
that way we get one of DJ/Merriman/Edwards/Williams.
[this works under the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart as fair value; 1150 and 200 (or 225 if needed) for 1350]

If I couldn't get one of the top 11, I would trade down: #13 to Philly for #31 and #35 - [again this works under the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart as fair value]

If we could trade down 6-10 spots - then I would go for TE Miller. [maybe down to 19 in a deal with the Rams either giving us 19 and a 3rd and a 4th for #13 or their 1st and 2nd for our first and 3rd - both of these deals are fair value on the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart ]

Other options:
Tenn needs a lot - so maybe they deal: so if 6 is worth 1600 and #13 is worth 1150, we add either a) our 2nd rounder, b) both 3rd rounders (both deals are fair value on the chart).

Hard to tell if the other teams will make fair value trades or try to hold someone up.




For those who want to talk about the value of draft picks:

Draft Pick Value Chart
Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7 Other
1 3000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 28 193 15.2 225 2.9
2 2600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 27.6 194 14.8 226 2.8
3 2200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 27.2 195 14.4 227 2.7
4 1800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 26.8 196 14 228 2.6
5 1700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 26.4 197 13.6 229 2.5
6 1600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 26 198 13.2 230 2.4
7 1500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 25.6 199 12.8 231 2.3
8 1400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 25.2 200 12.4 232 2.2
9 1350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 24.8 201 12 233 2.1
10 1300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 24.4 202 11.6 234 2
11 1250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 24 203 11.2 235 1.9
12 1200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 23.6 204 10.8 236 1.8
13 1150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 23.2 205 10.4 237 1.7
14 1100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 22.8 206 10 238 1.6
15 1050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 22.4 207 9.6 239 1.5
16 1000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 22 208 9.2 240 1.4
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 21.6 209 8.8 241 1.3
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 21.2 210 8.4 242 1.2
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 20.8 211 8 243 1.1
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 20.4 212 7.6 244 1
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 20 213 7.2 245 0.95
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 19.6 214 6.8 246 0.9
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 19.2 215 6.4 247 0.85
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 31.8 184 18.8 216 6 248 0.8
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 31.2 185 18.4 217 5.6 249 0.75
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 30.8 186 18 218 5.2 250 0.7
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 30.4 187 17.6 219 4.8 251 0.65
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 30 188 17.2 220 4.4 252 0.6
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 29.6 189 16.8 221 4 253 0.55
30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 29.2 190 16.4 222 3.6 254 0.5
31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 28.8 191 16 223 3.3 255 0.45
32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 28.4 192 15.6 224 3 256 0.4

Texans Picks
Pick# Point Value
13 1150
47 430
73 225
78 200
108 78
142 35
173 23.2
204 10.8
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I could see us trading up in the late 1st round like last year and get a guy like David Baas who could play center or guard.
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If we trade up it would be a 2nd and a 1 3rd for a 1st. I cant see us trading higher than 13
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i say we trade jamie sharper,our first pick, and perhaps a 4th rounder to either San Fran. (1rst overall),Miami (2nd overall), or Cleveland (3rd overall). Than we can trade our 2nd and 3rd for a late first rounder and get David Baas. SO we lose some picks, but finish the first day with DJ,Baas, and who ever we picked up with our extra 3rd round pick. Sounds good to me.
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i say we trade jamie sharper,our first pick, and perhaps a 4th rounder to either San Fran. (1rst overall),Miami (2nd overall), or Cleveland (3rd overall). Than we can trade our 2nd and 3rd for a late first rounder and get David Baas. SO we lose some picks, but finish the first day with DJ,Baas, and who ever we picked up with our extra 3rd round pick. Sounds good to me.
only problem is we dont need a LB
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Well we want to trade Jamie and his contract, so we get a young promising lb to take his place at a lower cost as well. and remember foreman was released, so if that was to happen we would have a starting core of Wong,Greenwood,DJ,Babin(not listed any order, thats up to capers.)
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Well we want to trade Jamie and his contract, so we get a young promising lb to take his place at a lower cost as well. and remember foreman was released, so if that was to happen we would have a starting core of Wong,Greenwood,DJ,Babin(not listed any order, thats up to capers.)
What about wong, greenwood inside
Babin, Peek outside
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The texans would rather have Derrick Johnson on the team and starting, and use Peek as the energetic hard hitting confidance bringing player he is off the bench. This would give us depth and keep our linebacking core strong throughout the ga,e
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Let's face the harsh reality here...There is a .0001 chance that DJ will be holding up a Texans jersey on April 23rd...

All this talk is way too similar to the thousands of "Get Sean Taylor" threads from last year...
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Let's face the harsh reality here...There is a .0001 chance that DJ will be holding up a Texans jersey on April 23rd...

All this talk is way too similar to the thousands of "Get Sean Taylor" threads from last year...
I agree my sources tell me the Titans might trade up and take D. Johnson. So i dont think he will be on the board.
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I agree my sources tell me the Titans might trade up and take D. Johnson. So i dont think he will be on the board.
Ahh, another set of unidentified sources appears. The Titans have serious cap issues and lots of holes--don't see them trading up.
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Plus the titans don't have to trade up to get him, he'll be there at thier spot. Second there isn't alot of teams wanting to trade up in this draft since their isn't alot of blue chip players in the 1st round, just a number of solid ones. With this years draft its just to risky. If anything they need to trade down in the 1st round and keep on collecting picks.
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If you look at the Value Chart we have an opportunity to jump up to number eight or nine. I think if DJ makes it past 7 then it is worth us trading up even at seven it might be worth it. Look at the calculations which would work for us.

1. Trade to 7- would cost us way more than what we should it would cost us two many draft picks
2. Trade to 8- would cost us our first, third, fourth, and sharper(sharper would bring in a value of a high/mid third)
3. Trade to 9- We could keep sharper and trade a first and bottom third

How nice is BAbin, Greenwood, DJ, Peek/Wong or Babin, Greenwood, Wong, DJ

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