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Old 03-15-2005   #121
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I didn't say they were morons. I said they were anti-Wand. I don't think you can argue that they aren't very high on him.
Ok, morons was too strong. I am not as high on Dom Davis as most of you guys are. That doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about because I am not in the larger opinion segment. We all have a different POV.
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You're right, we could argue if there's is a good evaluation though. That's what this board does far better than talk radio.

The reason I first came on this board was to see if everyone thought like they did on the post game show. As a poster said a little while ago, this board has many very thoughtful posters. I think you get much more balanced discussion here. You also get to hear more than one sided rhetoric, if you care to read differing opinions.
Every form of media has its limitations, including message boards. You give your thoughts, I give mine. It's all good.
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Old 03-15-2005   #122
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Yep. I was hoping against all common sense that the Heisman voters would think outside the box and give the award to the most dominant player in college footbal regardless of position. They didn't.
Perhaps they overreacted the next year and gave it to a DB (another very non traditional position for such an award) who was clearly less derserving than the QB who finished right behind him ?
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Im not saying that this trade is a bad idea, because anytime u have a chance to bring in a top LT its key, but a lot of people on this board seem to think that draft pics in the 20's are bad picks....and that u can just give them away...Just look at the Rams last year, they got the best RB in the draft @ # 24 i believe....lots of amazing players come out of the late 1st round...and way deeper...I still think its a good trade but 200 and 2007 1st round picks are going to become great players.
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Im not saying that this trade is a bad idea, because anytime u have a chance to bring in a top LT its key, but a lot of people on this board seem to think that draft pics in the 20's are bad picks....and that u can just give them away...Just look at the Rams last year, they got the best RB in the draft @ # 24 i believe....lots of amazing players come out of the late 1st round...and way deeper...I still think its a good trade but 200 and 2007 1st round picks are going to become great players.

The Rams got Julius Jones? when did that happen? :heh

Trading two 1st rounders...
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some ppl say Julius Jones may be better, I still think Steven Jackson is
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expect him to get around a 7 year deal worth around 50 million with at least 13 million in signning bonus money or gaurunteed money.
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Absolutely first round picks are important stuff but "1st round picks are going to become great players" is a bit sweeping if you ask me. I got a list about a mile long of first round picks that didn't do squat. We've drafted well but it's impossible to be 100% in the draft, even in the first round. Hell, it's impossible to be 100% even in the top ten. Draft picks are chances to get a great player. Here in the Pace deal we're looking at giving up two chances for one sure thing.

That's what it comes down to for me. A sure thing, can't miss player who can instantly change the Texans offense for the better. You can't draft a single person this year who could come into our team and have the kind of effect Pace can have.

Lastly I ask anyone who's got real reservations about this deal to consider one thing. Do you like David Carr? Do you think he's going to be a good'un? Are you sick of seeing him running for his life and climbing up off the ground with pieces of turf sticking out of his facemask? If all that's true then what other move could the Texans possibly make that would be better than grabbing Pace from the Rams?

The offense appears mostly set. No more rookie starters and the only thing left causing a problem is the offensive line. Hello? Orlando Pace anybody? The defense is mostly set too. Last year we added 3 rookies starters and they're going to get better. The holes aren't like they were in 2002-2003. We've got some depth and we've got some players. Pace isn't going to gut this team like he might have done a few years ago. He's not going to prevent this team from growing and he's not asking (apparently) for some amazing stupid god-awful amount of money like his (former) agents were talking three years ago. He ain't cheap of course but he's not going to destroy our ability to manage the cap single handedly.
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Good post Herv. Here is a nice piece by Len Pastabelly that relates to your argument that first round draft picks are not always going to pan out.
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Pace is one of the best LTs in the league, he has won a super bowl and played in five pro bowls. Now look at who we are playing on the o line, is there anyone on our line with those kind of credentals? Looking at the draft class for this year and next year, besides D'Brickshaw Fergason(maybe) there are no LTs who are in the same class as him. But the way that we are trying to make a playoff push, Fergason will be gone. If we have a chance to get a guy like this who can play at a pro bowl level for the next 5-6 years, we should jump on the opportunity like it was the last chopper out of Nam.
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I found it interesting that the Pace rumors have started a 5 page thread over at the Jaguars boards:

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I found it interesting that the Pace rumors have started a 5 page thread over at the Jaguars boards:

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And this of course means pretty much nothing (as does our own 400+ post thread(s) on this subject) but it's a fun read. How good is Pace? He's so good that there are knee jerks over there talking about "3rd place for the Jags after this move"

Give the Rams the two #1's, get the big guy into camp on time, and lets go smack some people around.
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I will be very happy if we can add Pace for #13, Wand, Sharper and maybe a 3rd.

Our offense has 2 major weak spots and a couple of questionable spots.
Our major weak spots on offense are LOT and 2nd WR; our iffy areas are TE (waiting on Joppru who I think will bust) and OG (I think Pace makes these guys better by being here).

So, if we add Pace - then can add a quality WR (in the 2nd rd or FA? - McClaine speculated we were going to take a WR with our 1st pick, so we probably look at that with our 2nd pick now), our offense will be close to complete machine. I would love that - it would be nice to know that when you are down by 4 with 2 minutes to go, you can win if you get the ball back - teams like Indy/NE/Philly/GB KNOW they can win if they get the ball back - teams like AZ/NO/TB/Balt know they are in trouble if it comes down to that.
I would like to be in the category where we know we can score when we have to.

True, our D still needs work. But, we are still a young team and hopefully we can round that out next year.

So, please give up #13, Wand, Sharper, etc. to make the deal - it is the only way we are going to get a stud OLT - the rest (WR/OLB/DE) we can get later or next year if we have to.
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The way that the Jaqs fan are talking, you would think that Pace already had a press confrence and held up a Texans jersey. Not to mention that they are freaking out.
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The Brown took Tim Couch (#1), Courtney Brown (#1), Gerard Warren (#3), and William Green (#16) all in the first round. Not one of them panned out. The draft is truly a lottery, some win and some lose.
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Pace is a free agent next year if a deal is not struck. If the Texans are smart for lining up a deal now. This way they can meet and have terms worked out. If Pace becomes a free agent, then at least he is familar with the names and faces of the Texans organization and he has taken the tour.
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Pace is a free agent next year if a deal is not struck. If the Texans are smart for lining up a deal now. This way they can meet and have terms worked out. If Pace becomes a free agent, then at least he is familar with the names and faces of the Texans organization and he has taken the tour.
The Rams arent stupid,they will franchise tag him, just like they have done for the past couple of years. Hes franchised now. If he plays for the Rams this year, he is going to have a long term contract with them.
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I really hope this deal doesn't happen. Pace is very old now, and we have some nice defensive linemen in our division(freeney,Jacksonville's big 2) and if Pace ever needs help with those that will mess up our whole system. This team has built itself on youth so far, and i want us to keep that going. Pace can be a caner at some-times, and now at the near end of his career, already having won a championship, he's just worried about gettin set for life financially. We can do many good things with that #13 pick, And still not get hog-tied in terms of cap space.
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