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Old 03-15-2005   #101
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I think Lance has a clue that Guards and Tackles help each other. His Dad (or someone close in his family) is a NFL O-Line coach.
And that makes them fair in their evaluations? Everybody has their opinion, and they seemed to make up their mind early on Wand.

Of course guards and tackles help each other, but post game they were always down on Wand. Do you really think he was the weakest player on the line every single game? Do other teams leave their LT one on one as much as the Texans? Why or why not? The Patriots used lots of schemes to give their LT help. I don't think we had the "team play" schemes in the OL down last year. That's where improvement is needed.

Even "experts" can be wrong, right?

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What's the deadline for (3 P.M. wednesday)...I just wanna make sure I know what the hell I'm talking about....Is it this...


Rams | Negotiations with Pace at a Standstill - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:41:45 -0800

Jim Thomas, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reports the St. Louis Rams have until Wednesday, March 16, to sign franchise OT Orlando Pace to a long-term deal before a four-month blackout period kicks in when the team cannot negotiate a long-term deal with him. Pace characterized negotiations as being "at a standstill" with St. Louis. The team has offered him a deal worth $51 million, including a $15 million signing bonus. However, the guaranteed money in the deal is less than what the Seattle Seahawks gave OT Walter Jones.




Could someone tell me what exactly yhat has to do with us....preciate it.
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Old 03-15-2005   #103
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i wish we could hurry and get this done so i can go buy his new Texans jersey :woot
Didn't Pace wear #76 in StLouis? Wonder if McKinney would be willing to give it up for him? Anyone know what number he wore at Ohio St? Not sure if the jersey number is all that important to him or not.
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Maybe cause Pace feels like hes the top OT in the league, and should be paid the top,
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i wish we could hurry and get this done so i can go buy his new Texans jersey :woot
My point exactly!
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"The guys on 610" are so anti-Wand that they don't even realize the Texans scheme rarely had Pitts helping Wand. The Texans had Wand one on one while pass blocking almost all the time.
The 610 radio guys commenting on the nuances of OL play is about as
appropriate as Terrel Owens commenting on Rocket Science.
On the other hand, we've got some guys on this Board who know something
on the subject, and I actually think the 610 guys audit our Board on a regular
basis because of some of the issues and question they raise.
Hey, don't get me wrong though, I listen to 610 and often find them entertaining, if not informative.
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Iv'e seen Freeney get manhandled by OT that aren't even probowlers. It's just Freeney will have his days where nobody will be able to block him.
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Didn't Pace wear #76 in StLouis? Wonder if McKinney would be willing to give it up for him? Anyone know what number he wore at Ohio St? Not sure if the jersey number is all that important to him or not.
Pace would wear 00, because that's how many sacks he'd be giving up.
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Pace would wear 00, because that's how many sacks he'd be giving up.
I like that idea. Now all we have to do is find an XXXXXXXXL helmet to fit that big melon of his.
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And that makes them fair in their evaluations? Everybody has their opinion, and they seemed to make up their mind early on Wand.
I exchange e-mails with Lance all the time (ask him if you want) and I find his exchanges with me very thoughtful. Perhaps he has a different opinion of Wand as you or I do? Does that make him a moron? I'd be real blunt and brutal if I thought he was a tool. I'm fairly outspoken.
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Even "experts" can be wrong, right?
Sure they can, but he just gives his opinion like we do here. He just gives his over the air.
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Didn't Pace wear #76 in StLouis? Wonder if McKinney would be willing to give it up for him? Anyone know what number he wore at Ohio St?
That's enough reason to dump McKinney for me. Pace wore #75 at OSU.
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Pace might not be giving up many sacks, but what about the rest of the oline. heh
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I don't know if this is possible or has been discussed, but couldn't the Texans wait until after the draft to get pace? Get him to sign an offer sheet if the Rams won't budge on the trade...In that case, they either sign him or they would get our firsts in 2006 and 2007 which we are all hopeful will be in the high twenties.

It would be beautiful irony if Barron or someone the Rams would get were at 13 and turns out to be a stud and St. Louis misses on him because they want 2 firsts.
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If something doesn't happen before tomorrow at 3pm I doubt it will at all. At least as far as the Texans are concerned. It doesn't look like the Texans are willing to surrender 2 1st round picks. If they signed Pace to an offer sheet and the Rams don't match that is the price the Texans would pay. If the Rams don't sign him to a long term deal by the deadline they can't negotiate with him until later in the year. I can't recall the exact time frame.

I would guess that right now the Texans and Rams are in a standoff. The Rams are asking for the 2 1s and the Texans are saying no. But, since I'm no longer allowed to listen in on their conversations I don't know for sure.

What I do know is..the Texans need to upgrade their line. The best tackle in the draft is Alex Barron. He should be available when the Texans pick. He'd get a lot of money, but not as much as Pace would command. It's impossible to project, but I would doubt he will ever be as good as Pace. He isn't a Gallery or Gross and neither of them have been all-world yet. They are still young and have plenty of time, though. The Texans want to take that next step now. If they can swap the 3rd round pick from Dallas and the 1st round this year plus even a midround pick next season I say it's a good deal. If they would have taken Barron you are in essence getting Pace for Barron, Henson, and maybe another pick. For an All-Pro left tackle it's worth it. They'd still have a 2nd and a 3rd rounder to pick up a Center and maybe a DT or a WR.
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Iv'e seen Freeney get manhandled by OT that aren't even probowlers. It's just Freeney will have his days where nobody will be able to block him.
It's funny how guys will have good and bad days. Remember Pitts coming off giving up 15.50 sacks in 2002 to take on if memory serves the league leading sacker Jason Taylor with 18.5 sacks and not giving up a sack all day?

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I don't know if this is possible or has been discussed, but couldn't the Texans wait until after the draft to get pace? Get him to sign an offer sheet if the Rams won't budge on the trade...In that case, they either sign him or they would get our firsts in 2006 and 2007 which we are all hopeful will be in the high twenties.

It would be beautiful irony if Barron or someone the Rams would get were at 13 and turns out to be a stud and St. Louis misses on him because they want 2 firsts.
That option would be nice for the Texans, but if they bring in Pace I don't know if they would have enough cap space to also sign the #13 overall pick. Maybe they would look at trading down.
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I exchange e-mails with Lance all the time (ask him if you want) and I find his exchanges with me very thoughtful. Perhaps he has a different opinion of Wand as you or I do? Does that make him a moron? I'd be real blunt and brutal if I thought he was a tool. I'm fairly outspoken.Sure they can, but he just gives his opinion like we do here. He just gives his over the air.
I didn't say they were morons. I said they were anti-Wand. I don't think you can argue that they aren't very high on him.

You're right, we could argue if their's is a good evaluation though. That's what this board does far better than talk radio.

The reason I first came on this board was to see if everyone thought like they did on the post game show. As a poster said a little while ago, this board has many very thoughtful posters. I think you get much more balanced discussion here. You also get to hear more than one sided rhetoric, if you care to read differing opinions.

The balance or lack there of is an artifact of just about all talk radio. I know I'd win lots of arguments if I had an off button for the opponent.

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That's enough reason to dump McKinney for me. Pace wore #75 at OSU.
Anyone, besides me, watch him play at Ohio State?
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I like that idea. Now all we have to do is find an XXXXXXXXL helmet to fit that big melon of his.
That thing has it's own weather system.

Stole that from Axe murderer.
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Anyone, besides me, watch him play at Ohio State?
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Yep. I was hoping against all common sense that the Heisman voters would think outside the box and give the award to the most dominant player in college footbal regardless of position. They didn't.
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