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Old 03-15-2005   #41
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If the Rams refused to deal - could we trade down and only give up 2 low 1st round picks?

If so, we could work out a deal to swap our #13 for two low #1s - according to the NFL draft pick chart, the numbers are fair. Of course we migh have to add a low pick or two to make the deal work.

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we could deal #13 to Philly for #31 and #35 (a fair pick as shown by the chart numbers below) - then add a little to the #35 (like a 3rd or 4th) to swap it with NE at 32 or Pitt at 30.
- -according to the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart (on ESPN), that most GMs consult to valuate their draft picks (I think JJ made this a hot item a few years back) - The #13 pick is worth 1150 points; #31=600; #35=550.
#32 is worth 590 points; our 4th rounder (#108) is worth 78 points, so a swap of #35 and #108 is worth #30 or #32.

Or, could we trade #13 (1150) and 78 (200) to Dallas for #20 (850) and 42 (480). Then work with the teams with the few picks to see if thye would like to move up to 20 or down to 42 or 47.

Either way, we could trade our #13, and add another draf tpick or two (a 3rd at the most) to get 2 low 1st rounders.
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Draft Pick Value Chart
Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7 Other
1 3000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 28 193 15.2 225 2.9
2 2600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 27.6 194 14.8 226 2.8
3 2200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 27.2 195 14.4 227 2.7
4 1800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 26.8 196 14 228 2.6
5 1700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 26.4 197 13.6 229 2.5
6 1600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 26 198 13.2 230 2.4
7 1500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 25.6 199 12.8 231 2.3
8 1400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 25.2 200 12.4 232 2.2
9 1350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 24.8 201 12 233 2.1
10 1300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 24.4 202 11.6 234 2
11 1250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 24 203 11.2 235 1.9
12 1200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 23.6 204 10.8 236 1.8
13 1150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 23.2 205 10.4 237 1.7
14 1100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 22.8 206 10 238 1.6
15 1050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 22.4 207 9.6 239 1.5
16 1000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 22 208 9.2 240 1.4
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 21.6 209 8.8 241 1.3
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 21.2 210 8.4 242 1.2
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 20.8 211 8 243 1.1
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 20.4 212 7.6 244 1
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 20 213 7.2 245 0.95
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 19.6 214 6.8 246 0.9
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 19.2 215 6.4 247 0.85
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 31.8 184 18.8 216 6 248 0.8
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 31.2 185 18.4 217 5.6 249 0.75
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 30.8 186 18 218 5.2 250 0.7
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 30.4 187 17.6 219 4.8 251 0.65
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 30 188 17.2 220 4.4 252 0.6
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 29.6 189 16.8 221 4 253 0.55
30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 29.2 190 16.4 222 3.6 254 0.5
31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 28.8 191 16 223 3.3 255 0.45
32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 28.4 192 15.6 224 3 256 0.4
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look bottom line is carr would finally have someone dependable to protect his blindside...giving him an actual chance to throw the ball and open up lanes for DD to run through...plus it would give indy a much harder time to sack carr with freeney out of the equation with pace on his side
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i wouldn't say freeney would be out of the question, but it would ease the concern a little.
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3 more hours until decision time.
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look bottom line is carr would finally have someone dependable to protect his blindside...giving him an actual chance to throw the ball and open up lanes for DD to run through...plus it would give indy a much harder time to sack carr with freeney out of the equation with pace on his side
The guys on 610 am this morning were speculating that Pitts would look like a pro-bowler at LG if he wasn't worried about assisting weak players on each side of him.

Ses, isn't the deadline 3 pm Wednesday?
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Yep, the deadline is Wednesday at 3 pm
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Big trades in Houston football history , the Oilers got Leon Gray from New England . That trade really solidified the OL .
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Someone on Rams Talk is saying the Rams and Texans have agreed in principle on a Pace Trade, with the Rams getting the Texans #1 Picks in 2005 and 2006. It was reportedly announced on the NFL Network.

I Would Take This With a Grain of Salt. I will believe it when I read an actual News Report.
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plus it would give indy a much harder time to sack carr with freeney out of the equation with pace on his side
If I was Freeney I would just switch sides and wear out Todd Wade.
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I'll take it with a grain. I've heard everything from it's a done deal to it's not going to happen. I wish they'd make SOME kind of announcement.
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I would. Kennedy is not real special and a back close to Jackson is much easier to find than dominant LT's.
how about the two players the Texans aquired last season Dunta Robinson (#10) and Jason Babin (#27) would you trade both of those players for Orlando Pace?
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how about the two players the Texans aquired last season Dunta Robinson (#10) and Jason Babin (#27) would you trade both of those players for Orlando Pace?
We aren't looking at a top-10 pick in this weak draft, next year I anticipate we have a 20-something selection and Pace would be the best position player on our team as soon as he signed outside of perhaps AJ. Pace instantly makes us a playoff contender imo.
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Someone on Rams Talk is saying the Rams and Texans have agreed in principle on a Pace Trade, with the Rams getting the Texans #1 Picks in 2005 and 2006. It was reportedly announced on the NFL Network.
They don't need to trade to get that deal. They could sign Pace now and give up those two picks (that is the compensation for signing a Franchise Player). If there is an actual trade, it will be for less than 2 1st rounders.
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plus it would give indy a much harder time to sack carr with freeney out of the equation with pace on his side
thats what they thought with jon ogden too
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We aren't looking at a top-10 pick in this weak draft, next year I anticipate we have a 20-something selection and Pace would be the best position player on our team as soon as he signed outside of perhaps AJ. Pace instantly makes us a playoff contender imo.
its close enough Vinny answear the question please. Dunta @ #10 is comparable to one of the CB's who will be there (#13) either Pac Man, Rogers or Miller, and Babin @ 27 is cutting a lot of slack that the Texans will be that good next year, but regradless as it relates to this draft that #27th spot would yield a player maybe even David Pollack.

so would you trade for Pace and give up Dunta Robinson & Jason Babin?
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If I was Freeney I would just switch sides and wear out Todd Wade.
True...... but Freeney would at least be in Carr's direct line of vision. Carr would just need to adjust his position in the pocket & it would help Wade & disrupt Freeney momentum.
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True...... but Freeney would at least be in Carr's direct line of vision. Carr would just need to adjust his position in the pocket & it would help Wade & disrupt Freeney momentum.
Didn't Mathis sack him 3 times from his non-blind side?
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I tend to agree. The biggest ouch in this deal is the #13 this year. If all goes according to plan then next years first round pick won't be the loss that many people think of it as.

Honestly I'd gladly give them the two #1's (2005 and 2006) for Pace, particularly if it means keeping Wand instead of sending him to the Rams. People talk about Wand going to waste here if we've got Pace but if Wand has the kind of ability that the Texans thought they saw in him I could see him pushing Wade eventually.
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