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Old 03-14-2005   #141
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It would be a great deal if it gets done.

I have a question though...

Why do we have to trade for him if he is just under a one year deal? Wont he be a free agent if the Rams dont resign him? I am just uncertain how that works out with the franchise tag going into the next season. Thanks to anyone who can clear that up. I dont want to see our 1st round pick going but if its to get someone like Pace it is worth it.
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If we can package Sharper and Wand along with a 3rd or second rounder i'd be favorable to that, but i'm partial to keeping our first round pick there will be alot of talent available at 13.
The old bromide "can't have your cake and eat it to" - I thought of that when
you suggested no deal if we have to part with our top pick. I would say thats
what it takes for us to open the bidding on this deal - I just hope they don't
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That would be a steal for us, but doesnt the league require us to give up 2 1st round picks for a franchised player of pace's stature?
Only if we sign him without a trade. If we set up a trade with the Rams, it can be for just about anything. It could be 7 1st round picks or whatever.

I have wondered though. How far in advance can you trade picks? Could you trade or 2015 1st round pick for something? Not that it is worth much in current value.
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if we payed greenwood all that money then why wouldnt we pay big bucks for PACE?
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if we payed greenwood all that money then why wouldnt we pay big bucks for PACE?
The salary cap wouldn't allow us to pay all that money. If you like Andre Johnson/Dunta Robinson/David Carr then you would be a little concerned about how much Pace will recieve.
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I have wondered though. How far in advance can you trade picks? Could you trade or 2015 1st round pick for something? Not that it is worth much in current value.
Thats it! We can just give them 8 first round picks, from 2480-2488! We will be dead, and the planet will have imploded by then.

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I hate giving up first day picks too, especially since we draft considerably well. I mean when you think about the successes versus the failures so far we've had some good luck.
That being said, outside of Carr/Andre/Robinson/Babin I could be interested by any offer they'd have. Oh and please don't give up Peek.
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Carr - 49
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Not to defend the Rams O-Line(they were horrible IMHO) however, The Rams had 580 pass attempts vs The Texans 471. 109 more chances to get sacked or

Rams 11.6 attempts per sack

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I think Pace will come cheaper than alot expect, although expensive he wont be looking at the huge signing bonus back when he had his previous agents (the Poston brothers) now he has an Agent that is more available to make a deal. Also he made those huge contract demands back when he was 27 and 28 years old he is 30 now and his contract will reflect that.
If he didn't have high contract demands we're not even discussing this. It's his contract demands which the RAMS can't/won't afford that are driving this trade talk. Ig he would sign a long term deal in line with a 30 yr old LT, albeit a por bowler, we would sign him. Now the RAMS may be tired of him this ongoing saga and let him go for less than market value, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Your #1 and a starter and a later round pick might get the deal done or 2 starters and your #1.
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give them a 1st and 4th round pick
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Yes but wasn't that all a part his creepy agent Poston? Now that he fired Potson I think he's looking for something a little more solid in a contract, not a huge super pay day like they were asking. He's grown tired of the Rams and has pretty much worn out his welcome. Besides, it looks like the Rams are on the downside, while the Texans are on the up.
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I think Carr will sleep alot more soundly knowing that his backside is protected. The price is steep but hey thats the tuffest position in football.. We need someone to go against the dwight freeney's of the world. Their is no clear cut 1st rounder this year. I say bring him in. Here is what i have been hear

1st this year
Sharper which i doubt that signed to LB's already
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Yes but wasn't that all a part his creepy agent Poston? Now that he fired Potson I think he's looking for something a little more solid in a contract, not a huge super pay day like they were asking. He's grown tired of the Rams and has pretty much worn out his welcome. Besides, it looks like the Rams are on the downside, while the Texans are on the up.
The Rams would have been money ahead to let him write in his own numbers two years ago - the first time we franchised him. Now, with the huge deals Walter Jones and others have gotten, his price tag has gone up - CONSIDERABLY. He will be a serious Cap Eater. If you believe your Left OT should be the top earner on your team, then he is your man.

As far as the Rams being on the downside, I humbly disagree (naturally).

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I apologize if this has already been posted, but this looks fresh.

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The Texans made their boldest gesture of the offseason today, entertaining Pro Bowl left tackle Orlando Pace as part of their efforts to work out a trade to acquire him from the St. Louis Rams.

In addition, Jay Foreman was granted his release - not to mention his wish - during a meeting with Texans coach Dom Capers early Monday morning. Strong safety Eric Brown also was cut during the course of a busy day at Reliant Park.

``We are in discussions with the Rams,'' Texans vice president of communications Tony Wyllie said. ``Orlando and his agent are visiting Houston, but we won't have an announcement until the appropriate time.``

Pace, 29, is designated as the Rams' franchise player for the third consecutive year, but the two sides have been unable to work out a long-term agreement, which opened the possibility for a trade.

If the Rams can't strike a long-term agreement with Pace by Wednesday, they lose the right to place the franchise tag on a player next season. At the very least, the Texans will have to part with a first-round pick and probably a player currently on their roster to acquire Pace.

The Texans have been trying to solidify the left tackle position since their inception. They acquired five-time Pro Bowler Tony Boselli in the expansion draft, but he couldn't recover from multiple shoulder operations and never played a down for the team before retiring before the 2003 season.

Chester Pitts started every game at left tackle in 2002 and 2003, but was moved to left guard last season to make room in the starting lineup at left tackle for Seth Wand, a raw talent with some upside. The Texans allowed 49 sacks last season, fewer than just six teams in the league.

Foreman and fellow inside linebacker Jamie Sharper asked to be released last week, approximately a week after the team gave both players permission to seek a trade. Sharper still is in limbo and could remain that way until after next month's draft, but Foreman is free to negotiate with any team in the league.

``I respect the fact they didn't string me along,'' Foreman said. ``Whether this works out for them or for me, only time will tell. I know what I can do on the field. I know the return on their investment is way better than the return they've gotten on some of their other investments.`` The Texans signed Foreman to a five-year, $12 million contract after the 2002 season. Foreman will count $1.32 million against the 2005 salary cap, but considering he was scheduled for a $2.21 million cap hit, Monday's move will save the Texans $890,000.

``When you know how good a player you are, and your teammates know how good a player you are, and then all of sudden it doesn't mean anything, that hurts,'' Foreman said. ``But it's a business, and sometimes this is how things go in the NFL. I'm not going to let it get to me. I know I'm a good player, so it should all work out.``

Foreman finished first or second in tackles each of his three seasons with the Texans, who acquired him from Buffalo in exchange for return specialist Charlie Rogers in 2002. Despite missing the final five games of last season because of an ankle injury, Foreman trailed only Sharper in tackles.

``I'm on the downside of my rehab now,'' Foreman said. ``I'm generally a quick healer. I'm going to start running next week. Now that (the release) is official, we'll see which teams are really interested. I just want to get into the right situation. My career is not over.``
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Besides, it looks like the Rams are on the downside, while the Texans are on the up.
Not to be a punk, and not that I totally disagree BUT we did make the playoffs last year (I know, at 8-8 not much to brag about).

If our D gets fixed we think we'll be right back in the thick of it come December next year.

I do think with the right moves this off season you will be in the playoffs. Manning and the Colts better get it done soon 'cause I see the Texans breathing down their neck soon, if not next season.
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doubt the rams would want LB's with claiborne and coakley signed...
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i guess im the minority here that wants to give wand another year before we start throwing cash and high draft picks away for a franchise LT. i still believe the weakness of the line was the middle (stevie boy anyone?).

pace is obviously an upgrade, but if he were a free agent - this would be a different story. im not ready to trade players and day 1 picks for him.

go on, lemme hear it......
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I think Carr will sleep alot more soundly knowing that his backside is protected. The price is steep but hey thats the tuffest position in football.. We need someone to go against the dwight freeney's of the world. Their is no clear cut 1st rounder this year. I say bring him in. Here is what i have been hear

1st this year
Sharper which i doubt that signed to LB's already
1st next year
2nd next year
That would be a miserably bad job of negotiating by the Texans since they can pay two 1sts and get Pace without the Rams' consent.
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Here is the interesting part of that article:

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"We are in discussions with the Rams,'' Texans vice president of communications Tony Wyllie said to the Houston Chronicle. "Orlando and his agent are visiting Houston, but we won't have an announcement until the appropriate time."
Makes me wonder if this is already a done deal....pending a physical.
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sounds like all that it needs is i's dotted and t's crossed.
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