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Old 03-14-2005   #61
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The trade hasn't gone down yet, the article mentions that Pace is willing to look around. He is a franchise caliber left tackle and we could definitely use him on our team. I'm just not so sure on what we have to give up for him. Casserly has said that he wants to build the team around the draft and not sign expensive free agents. But this is a special case and I guess we can bend the rules just this one time. With Foreman being released today I think Sharper will be traded. If this trade does go down I will be happy but I'll also be wary of Pace's attitude. He has been a problem for the Rams for sometime now.
we need some attitude on this team every one here is just to nice.
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The trade hasn't gone down yet, the article mentions that Pace is willing to look around. He is a franchise caliber left tackle and we could definitely use him on our team. I'm just not so sure on what we have to give up for him. Casserly has said that he wants to build the team around the draft and not sign expensive free agents. But this is a special case and I guess we can bend the rules just this one time. With Foreman being released today I think Sharper will be traded. If this trade does go down I will be happy but I'll also be wary of Pace's attitude. He has been a problem for the Rams for sometime now.

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``We are in discussions with the Rams,'' Texans vice president of communications Tony Wyllie said. ``Orlando and his agent are visiting Houston, but we won't have an announcement until the appropriate time.``


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we need some attitude on this team every one here is just to nice.
easy texasfan, i dont think that is the kind of attitude you want on your team, he is a "me first" player, who holds out on training camp if he does not have his so called deal. if your team needs money to get players this is the type of guy that wont restructure a contract or try to sign a long term..yah thas attitude...
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he has already said he wants a long term deal.
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easy texasfan, i dont think that is the kind of attitude you want on your team, he is a "me first" player, who holds out on training camp if he does not have his so called deal. if your team needs money to get players this is the type of guy that wont restructure a contract or try to sign a long term..yah thas attitude...
Players dont like to be franchised. Especially 3 times in a row! That is why he is pissed at the Rams. He wants a long term deal. Not a yearly sallary, where if he gets hurt, and his career is over, no big deal to the rams, the can just send him packing. So im not surprised that he, or any other player with the franchise tag holds out.

Players hate the franchise tag. period.
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yea he says he wants 1 but throw an offer on the table and see dont he try and break the bank..
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easy texasfan, i dont think that is the kind of attitude you want on your team, he is a "me first" player, who holds out on training camp if he does not have his so called deal. if your team needs money to get players this is the type of guy that wont restructure a contract or try to sign a long term..yah thas attitude...
In the NFL, I wouldn't criticise a player too much for holding out during contract negotiations. When a team places the F-tag on a player, that is just a prelude to some bad negotiations. I don't know the details of the Pace negotiations, but what I do know is that most of that stuff dealt with the Postsons and obviously Pace wasn't happy with the job they were doing so they were fired.

This next contract will likely be Pace's last real chance at big money. Once he is paid, he should not be a problem. Its just a matter of who is gonna be paying him.

Other than the contract thing, what else makes him a "me first" player?
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Oh, and I hope we don't have to give up our first round pick for Pace
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29...gonna be 30 real soon...
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Oh, and I hope we don't have to give up our first round pick for Pace
To get a top 5 Left Tackle you've got to give something up. There isn't a better player at #13 than Orlando Pace. If it takes a 1st and a 3rd, i'd do it in a heartbeat.
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yea but 30 is young for the oline
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I just fear this will cost entirely too much. An 8-year vetern LT knocking on 30 years old with a questionable attitude...who is insistant on a long-term deal (at least 4 years or more) would be a bad move on our part. Give WAND another year. Our sack issues were caused up the middle...not the Tackles!

And if they're saying give up Wand, Sharper & a first! That's NUTS!

Don't get me wrong...I'm a firm believer that the O-Line is VITAL. So why not Trade Sharper for a pick this year and get Baas, Brown or Spencer for our new Center. And let Brown, McKinney, Pitts & Weigert fight it out for the starting Guard spots (assuming the Rookie-C earns the starting nod).

That way we can use our 1st on the best available WR (if DJ is gone). Or perhaps even a stud CB to eventually replace Glenn.
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give up the 13th. after the top 10 you r taking a chance anyway.
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yea but 30 is young for the oline
u r correct, sir!!! can anyone remember Bob Young...Dude played till he was 43!!! Of course, part of that was in the USFL....But I digress...30 is young for an o-linemen...
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New story from the Comical...hot off the press
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"We are in discussions with the Rams,'' Texans vice president of communications Tony Wyllie said. ``Orlando and his agent are visiting Houston, but we won't have an announcement until the appropriate time."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...texans/3083990
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New story from the Comical...hot off the press

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...texans/3083990

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"We are working out a few minor issues".

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This is a no-brainer. I would give them Sharper, Wand, and our #1. As important as what we give up in personell is his contract. Yes, he will command large dollars, but we just need to make sure we don't "give him whatever he wants". There is a balancing act with all of this, and I am sure that Casserly is on top of it. To me, there is not another player available via trade, FA, or the draft, that would impact the Texans more in 2005 than Pace. If the deal can be struck with the Rams, and he accepts a "reasonable" (fill in your own figure) contract, then this is the all time no-brainer of no-brainers.
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This is a no-brainer. I would give them Sharper, Wand, and our #1. As important as what we give up in personell is his contract. Yes, he will command large dollars, but we just need to make sure we don't "give him whatever he wants". There is a balancing act with all of this, and I am sure that Casserly is on top of it. To me, there is not another player available via trade, FA, or the draft, that would impact the Texans more in 2005 than Pace. If the deal can be struck with the Rams, and he accepts a "reasonable" (fill in your own figure) contract, then this is the all time no-brainer of no-brainers.

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