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Old 03-14-2005   #21
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I would want to hang onto Wand if possible. A young tackle with experience and some up side. The first, one of the 3rds and Sharper (a first round quality guy, but not going to get one) and if needed a third from next years draft. The real fly in this ointment is that BOTH Pace and Sharper probably would have to re-do their deals before both teams would accept them. The clock will drive this along quicker than usual as it has to get done by I think midnight tomorrow or nothing can be done until June 15. Puts a little pressure on everyone to move along. Also, Pace just hired new reps and they will want to move it along for their new client. He is looking for a long term, probably 6-7 years and a BIG bonus around 20 Mill. At 29-30 years old we could resonably expect 4-6 years of good play. Not sure how badly this would affect the cap issue.
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Old 03-14-2005   #22
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He would be our line's anchor for at least 5 years, why would we still need Wand? I would think Wand would be part of the trade.
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You all have to look at the overall ramifications of acquiring pace.
1. Houston will not have a 1st round pick
2. Future Salary Cap will suffer
3. Our overall Depth at all positions will be decreased
4. Pace tends to break down as the season wears on due to bad workout regime
Positives
1. A Book end LT that will protect DC for at least 4 yrs (we still need a RT)
2. Boost to overall confidence (worth two spots)

The Cons out weigh the Pros to this deal. I think adding an explosive rookie on D and O plus a two-punch for DD in the backfield, and an upgrade at TE will have just as much or more effect than acquiring Pace
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Pace is so worth it! Carr better be pulling for him bigtime. Here is the ESPN take:


Mar. 14 - With time running out to get a long-term deal with the Rams, Orlando Pace and his new agent, Kennard McGuire, are trying to facilitate a trade to the Texans, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports. Pace and McGuire flew to Houston on Monday.
The Rams have until March 16 to finalize a new contract with Pace, a franchise player, before a four-month negotiating blackout period begins. That Pace is visiting Houston likely means he doubts any long-term financial resolution can be reached with the Rams.

A multiyear deal for Pace, who currently counts $8.425 million against St. Louis' salary cap, could trim $3 million or more from that cap figure.
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33 people viewing this thread...SHOCKING!!

Man, it would be nice to get Pace to block for Carr. He wouldn't get touched with that guy watching his back. That said, I hate trading 1st round picks.

But to get something, you gotta give something, so oh well. MAKE IT HAPPEN BIG C!
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You all have to look at the overall ramifications of acquiring pace.
1. Houston will not have a 1st round pick
2. Future Salary Cap will suffer
3. Our overall Depth at all positions will be decreased
4. Pace tends to break down as the season wears on due to bad workout regime
Positives
1. A Book end LT that will protect DC for at least 4 yrs (we still need a RT)
2. Boost to overall confidence (worth two spots)

The Cons out weigh the Pros to this deal. I think adding an explosive rookie on D and O plus a two-punch for DD in the backfield, and an upgrade at TE will have just as much or more effect than acquiring Pace

Not necessarily. What do we truly need huge cap space for if we have minimal holes to fill? We draft depth at DL, WR and CB. What else is there?? Possibly TE, but who knows where Joppru will end up.
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Everyone is thinking that Pace is the end all of end alls. He is in the Top 5 of LT likely number 4 or 5. In case you all did not realize Pace's Quarterback was sacked more times than Carr and Pace gave up some of those. Pace is definately the best player the Texans have ever signed but he COST TOO MUCH!!

It is a catch 22!!
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You all have to look at the overall ramifications of acquiring pace.
1. Houston will not have a 1st round pick
2. Future Salary Cap will suffer
3. Our overall Depth at all positions will be decreased
4. Pace tends to break down as the season wears on due to bad workout regime
Positives
1. A Book end LT that will protect DC for at least 4 yrs (we still need a RT)
2. Boost to overall confidence (worth two spots)
Amend Positives to read:
1. A Book end LT that will protect DC for at least 4 yrs (we still need a RT)
2. Boost to overall confidence (worth two spots)
3. With premeire LT, Texans now legit playoff contender beginning in Fall-2005
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I think adding an explosive rookie on D and O plus a two-punch for DD in the backfield, and an upgrade at TE will have just as much or more effect than acquiring Pace
What makes you think our rookies will be explosive? At least with Pace, you know what to expect from him...
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We are a Legit Playoff contender without Pace. You realize that if we would have won three of our games namely Detroit, Cleveland, and Green BAy, we would have been in the playoffs instead of the Broncos.
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I am thinking that 2 first rounders are just the START of negotiations. I think it would eventually be worked to cost us our 13, plus maybe 3rd this year. Or 13, plus a player or 2nd next year.
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Explosive would mean adding speed, nasty nature, and youth to those positions. You know those things when you draft people. I mean everyone knew that D-Rob had a cocky nasty nature, we measured his speed in drills and he is young damn no wonder he was that good.
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I say do it! Except I don't know about the 1st round this year. Will they accept next years 1st? 35 viewing
Next year should be a stronger draft class. I'd rather give up this years pick instead of next seasons and take one of the solid second tier prospects with our second round pick as our first selection.
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Im against giving up a first round pick, however, I dont think theres a player at 13 who can come in and provide that immediate impact as a rookie that Pace will provide im his first season here. And you never know, maybe cass will trade back into the 1st round like he did last yr if he gives up this yrs #1 pick....or maybe he'll trade a 2006 #1 pick, ill be all for that.
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Explosive would mean adding speed, nasty nature, and youth to those positions. You know those things when you draft people. I mean everyone knew that D-Rob had a cocky nasty nature, we measured his speed in drills and he is young damn no wonder he was that good.
My point is that you can get a pro-bowl talent on your team. Or we can spend it on a rookie, who will eventually be good, or a bust.
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Does anyone know how many sacks Pace has given up for the past few seasons?
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Does anyone know how many sacks Pace has given up for the past few seasons?
5, 4 and 2 in the last three years.
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Ok that makes since DC. I understand your perspective but if we are going to do this then we are going to give up alot more than what we are going to get. But who knows maybe CC will make the trade and we will get great picks with the rest of the draft. Building through the draft is just my personal view of how to build a great franchise. Eventhough I think Minnesota might spoil that view.
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You realize that if we would have won three of our games namely Detroit, Cleveland, and Green BAy, we would have been in the playoffs instead of the Broncos.


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left tackle wasnt the problem on o-line though....the defense was horrible, offensive playcalling was too conservative, mchinney and weigert had subpar yrs. There are too many holes to fill on this team. Pace would want a huge contract extension which means there would be too much money invested in 0-line (wade, weigert, pace) Its always safer to build the team through the draft , the patriots and eagles set the blueprint. Cass just has to learn to draft better....he cant draft anymore charles hills, bennie joppru's, dave ragones, tony hollings, or fred wearys.
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