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Old 03-14-2005   #281
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I didn't realize Pace was the one who inspired the pancake block term.
He didn't. That term has been used for years.
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I wasn't making it sound like Odgen can't play...I'm just making a statement...its not like Odgen now sucks. Freeney is Freeney...he's gonna do that to almost anyone.
I know - I was joking - which never comes across in a forum. It's just that half the dissatisfaction people have with Wand is that Freeney made him look bad. Not a fair way to grade a player.
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I was waiting for the Rockets game to come on, on FoX Sports Net and the reporter said that the Texans have all but signed Orlando Pace and HE SHOULD BE IN HOUSTON BY WEDNSDAY . :woot
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I was waiting for the Rockets game to come on, on FoX Sports Net and the reporter said that the Texans have all but signed Orlando Pace and HE SHOULD BE IN HOUSTON BY WEDNSDAY . :woot
IF the texans and rams can work out compensation.
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I was waiting for the Rockets game to come on, on FoX Sports Net and the reporter said that the Texans have all but signed Orlando Pace and HE SHOULD BE IN HOUSTON BY WEDNSDAY . :woot
He is in Houston with his agent right now.
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I'm waiting to hear Marc Berman's report...if he says its on, then it's on
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Wait, is Pace a FA or still with the Rams because I remember coming home from the doctor one day and listening to Jim Rome talk about him being a free agent. Anyways, I dont want to give up our first round pick.
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He is in Houston with his agent right now.
I mean that he should be in Houston, with a signed contract, and a pretty blue Texans jersey around his massive frame.
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compensation shouldnt be a problem. The rams have until weds to complete a deal or theyll lose the right to franchise pace next yr. The pressure is on the rams, hopefully theyll lower their asking price
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And Pace has been around for years. The term was coined after some of his blocks in college.
He wasn't playing football in the 80's, and I know the term was used then because I used it.
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i just cant see it. i always saw the texans as a hard working blue collar kinda team (excuse the obvious cliches). i can understand giving bigish contracts to young, rising players (greenwood, r.smith) and i like bringing in veterans like breuner for the minimum, but i just dont see this team as in need of a "star" - read huge cap hit - lineman. we already overpay 3 of our 5 starters on the line, so why pay big for another? since when did we become a team thats one player away from a championship?

how much do the Pats pay their line? nothing. and theyre the best team in the league. now i realise that brady has a much quicker release, but still. the guy went down what, 20 times last year? there's good line play there. solid players who know the scheme. give the line another year. by all means draft a tackle at 13 and a centre in the 2nd/3rd, but dont rush and give up picks for a selfish, albeit superb, player.

when was the last time anyone heard the words 'orlando pace' and 'team player' or 'good locker room influence' in the same sentence. those are the players i want my team to be associated with. okay, he's a superb player. but i want a great team.

could we convince mcnair (bob) to give scott pioli a similar contract to the one they're offering Pace? it wouldnt count on the salary cap, and i'll guarantee success for years.

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No!!!

A team could only use the tag for 3 years in a row on one player and if they do they lose the right to franchise a player for the following year. Thats why STL wants him traded or a long term deal.
Do you have a source for this because the NFL CBA doesn't mention any three year limit?

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compensation shouldnt be a problem. The rams have until weds to complete a deal or theyll lose the right to franchise pace next yr. The pressure is on the rams, hopefully theyll lower their asking price
You've got it mixed up. IF the Rams sign Pace after March 15 up until July 15, they lose the right to Franchise Tag ANY Player for the length of Pace's contract.

NO, the pressure is not on the Rams. If the Texans really want Pace, they can sign him to an offer sheet. Either the Rams match it, or let him go for the Texan's 2005 and 2006 #1 Picks.
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OK, after a quick Google search it turns out that the term "pancake block" was first used for Bill Fralic when he played at Pitt from 81-84.

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The Rams have franchised Pace for three consecutive years. Under terms of that designation, the Rams have until Wednesday to work out a long-term contract and regain the ability to franchise a player in 2006. Any long agreement reached between Wednesday and July 15 would cost St. Louis its franchise tag for the length of that contract.


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i misread the info

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The Rams have franchised Pace for three consecutive years. Under terms of that designation, the Rams have until Wednesday to work out a long-term contract and regain the ability to franchise a player in 2006. Any long agreement reached between Wednesday and July 15 would cost St. Louis its franchise tag for the length of that contract.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2012782
Well that doesn't say it can't be used on Pace again. What they are describing is that if a long term deal is quickly worked out--i.e. no need to use the franchise tag on him--then they can franchise someone else. If a sever year deal is completed after Wednesday the Rams will not be able to franchise anyone until the 2012 season.
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