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Old 03-14-2005   #261
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Freeney got past Ogden twice last yr during that sunday night game with BAL and IND.
Oh man - does that mean Ogden can't play either? What's this league coming to if a GREAT defensive end can beat almost all tackles 1 on 1?
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St. Louis local news is reporting that the Texans and OP have an agreement in principle. None of the Rams top brass have been contacted by the Texans as of 7:24PM CST. There has been no formal offer sheet. This being because the Texans don't want to give up two picks and would like to negotiate a trade. Top officials at Rams Park are saying that they will not come off of the two first picks. Looks like a Stalemate.
well, it looks as if Pace couldn't care less about STL anymore. He'll play there another season and bolt if nothing happens
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well, it looks as if Pace couldn't care less about STL anymore. He'll play there another season and bolt if nothing happens
I've been wondering about this. Could he not be slapped with the tag again next season or is there some limit to how many times a player can be f-tagged?
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I've been wondering about this. Could he not be slapped with the tag again next season or is there some limit to how many times a player can be f-tagged?
No!!!

A team could only use the tag for 3 years in a row on one player and if they do they lose the right to franchise a player for the following year. Thats why STL wants him traded or a long term deal.
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I've been wondering about this. Could he not be slapped with the tag again next season or is there some limit to how many times a player can be f-tagged?
He will be slapped with the tag until the Rams get tired.
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I've been wondering about this. Could he not be slapped with the tag again next season or is there some limit to how many times a player can be f-tagged?

There would be a 20% increase to the price they would have to pay.
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"St. Louis local news is reporting that the Texans and OP have an agreement in principle. None of the Rams top brass have been contacted by the Texans as of 7:24PM CST. There has been no formal offer sheet. This being because the Texans don't want to give up two picks and would like to negotiate a trade. Top officials at Rams Park are saying that they will not come off of the two first picks. Looks like a Stalemate."

I'm sure that the "top brass" will change their minds if the Texans offer them more than one pick this year. I wouldn't be surprise if its like our 1st and one of our 3rds and a 3rd or 4th next year.
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You could be correct about the change of mind. Pace is not a team player and a large contract will hurt the Texans and any other team that caves in to his demands. He has been offered two contracts by the Rams. the last one being very comparable to the Walter Jones deal. If any team can afford to pay OP substantially more the Jones is getting, it is going to be a BIG cap hit for years to come. I don't know how much cap room you guys have, but I don't think Pace is worth mortaging the future of the franchise for a dozen years. My opinion only.

Jay Zigmunt, of the Rams has adamantly said that the Rams will take no less than two first picks.
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Oh man - does that mean Ogden can't play either? What's this league coming to if a GREAT defensive end can beat almost all tackles 1 on 1?

I wasn't making it sound like Odgen can't play...I'm just making a statement...its not like Odgen now sucks. Freeney is Freeney...he's gonna do that to almost anyone.
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Just surfing the net and ran across this. CFN rated the top 100 players of all time and they have Pace at number 29.

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The Pancake: Pace was so dominating with his blocks that a term was created for the way he knocked a defensive player on his back - the Pancake Block. In his junior season, Pace was credited with 80 Pancakes. As good as he was blocking for the running game, he was equally adept at pass blocking not allowing a sack in his last two years at Ohio State. One of his greatest games was his humiliation of Illinois' Simeon Rice completely shutting down the Illini star and registering ten Pancakes that day.
http://www.collegefootballnews.com/T...lando_Pace.htm
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You could be correct about the change of mind. Pace is not a team player and a large contract will hurt the Texans and any other team that caves in to his demands. He has been offered two contracts by the Rams. the last one being very comparable to the Walter Jones deal. If any team can afford to pay OP substantially more the Jones is getting, it is going to be a BIG cap hit for years to come. I don't know how much cap room you guys have, but I don't think Pace is worth mortaging the future of the franchise for a dozen years. My opinion only.

Jay Zigmunt, of the Rams has adamantly said that the Rams will take no less than two first picks.
One thing that Charlie Casserly prides himself in, is that he knows the ins and outs of the salary cap and would NEVER put this team in a postion that would restrict the Texans in the future.

Casserly is one of the guys that helped make the salary cap.
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Just surfing the net and ran across this. CFN rated the top 100 players of all time and they have Pace at number 29.



http://www.collegefootballnews.com/T...lando_Pace.htm

That's gotta be based on their college careers because Ron Dayne is ranked 12th on the list. Pace is their #1 college OT of all time.
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Well I can only think of two reasons why I would give whatever I needed to get Pace.

1. Dwight
2. Freeney
We may have to add a #3, albeit a distant 3, to that list if Reggie Hayward pans out for Jacksonville.
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How much cap room do the Texans have?
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You could be correct about the change of mind. Pace is not a team player and a large contract will hurt the Texans and any other team that caves in to his demands. He has been offered two contracts by the Rams. the last one being very comparable to the Walter Jones deal. If any team can afford to pay OP substantially more the Jones is getting, it is going to be a BIG cap hit for years to come. I don't know how much cap room you guys have, but I don't think Pace is worth mortaging the future of the franchise for a dozen years. My opinion only.

Jay Zigmunt, of the Rams has adamantly said that the Rams will take no less than two first picks.
Yeah, they may have offered him big contracts, but maybe he just doesn't want to be tehre at all. the dome isn't exactly an ideal place
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That's gotta be based on their college careers because Ron Dayne is ranked 12th on the list. Pace is their #1 college OT of all time.
Yeah, its collegefootball.com I didn't realize Pace was the one who inspired the pancake block term.
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How much cap room do the Texans have?
According to John Clayton as of March 4th - $8.9 million dollars. But that does not include the $890,000 they saved today with the 2 cuts and then Jamie Sharper will either be cut or traded and his number right now is $6.1 million dollars and the Texans would save money there after they trade or cut him.
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No!!!

A team could only use the tag for 3 years in a row on one player and if they do they lose the right to franchise a player for the following year. Thats why STL wants him traded or a long term deal.
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???? So which is it?

If there is a limit to the number of times a guy can be tagged, then the price for Pace should be much, much lower than 2 firsts. Afterall, Pace will walk in a season for nothing anyway. So the Rams should just take a first and third and be happy.

If there is no limit, then the Texans are crazy to cough up two firsts. I know there is concern that, after 3 seasons of beatings, Carr may be getting a little gunshy. I realize that any move for Pace should be seen as protecting the team's #1 asset in Carr. But I'd rather find another way to protect Carr instead of coughing up both capspace and future picks for the Pancake.
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There is a limit on how many times a player can get tagged.

The Texans won't have to pay the 2 first round picks because OP didn't sign the franchise tag sheet yet. The Rams will come off the two 1st rounders
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