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Old 03-14-2005   #201
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you guys are bashing mckinney like he was the sole reason the line did not live up to expectations in 2004.
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honestly i think in the end Pace is using us as a ploy against the rams to jack up his price. he will probably renegotiate a long term deal right at the deadline and we helped get him a couple extra million. not all bad for us because the more big names that visit us the more we are on the map, and it pushes the rams cap number a little higher too.
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Just caught the tailend of the talks between Pace and the Texans on the NFL network ....It looks like the contract will go through for Pace. They will offically announce on wednesday but they said it looks like Pace will be a Texan because everything looks good.......YEEEE HAWWWW.
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It may be worth two 1's if that was all I had to give up as the Texans GM. This year will not have any elite linemen and if we secure Pace we are probably playoff contenders and will likely have a pick in the 20's next season. Securing one of the top 2 players in the NFL at LT is likely worth it to me.
MY concern is how long will he be a top 2 LT in the NFL. I could see if he was in his mid 20's, but we might as well just round that 29 off to a thirty and i dont want him to be the G. Walker of the offense.
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did they say what the compensation would be for the rams?

Sharper, Wand, 1st this year 2nd this year for pace and 2nd this year would be fair.

are we giving them 2 firsts?
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its true, Offensive Lineman can play deep into their 30's without much effort. Pace should be a force for another 4 years, and after that will have 2 years where just his name will protect Carr. Thats worth it.
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its true, Offensive Lineman can play deep into their 30's without much effort. Pace should be a force for another 4 years, and after that will have 2 years where just his name will protect Carr. Thats worth it.
Ok, if we can expect another good four years atleast from him then i dont have a problem with that trade, but i would still love to have that #13 pick, just to give me something to look forward to ond raft day LoL.
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you guys are bashing mckinney like he was the sole reason the line did not live up to expectations in 2004.
id say he was about more than half of our problems. im still a firm believer C is more of a priority than LT where wand should improve if given the opportunity
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did they say what the compensation would be for the rams?

Sharper, Wand, 1st this year 2nd this year for pace and 2nd this year would be fair.

are we giving them 2 firsts?
From what i heard, Texans will give up a #1 and 3 pick. But they said the deal was good as done.
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i agree, but this draft although not top heavy has alot of interesting mid to late round talent. with the offensive line taken care of it gives us alot more freedom in the draft.

There is always a chance the Rams send us a mid round pick back to us as well. At this point all we know is that Pace is serious about protecting Carr.

Another upside is he is used to playing on Turf so our better field will probably extend his career.
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There is no way, IMO, that we are going to get Pace, and our #13. One or the other. Not both. I would take Pace.

Its basically like we are drafting a 30 year old Pace, with the #13 pick, and traded a starter to get higher.
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There is no way, IMO, that we are going to get Pace, and our #13. One or the other. Not both. I would take Pace.

Its basically like we are drafting a 30 year old Pace, with the #13 pick, and traded a starter to get higher.
Well on NFL network they said the deal was as good as done and Rams and Texans were agreeing on the terms....
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Just caught the tailend of the talks between Pace and the Texans on the NFL network ....It looks like the contract will go through for Pace. They will offically announce on wednesday but they said it looks like Pace will be a Texan because everything looks good.......YEEEE HAWWWW.
can anyone else confirm this?
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were do you get the half from? so wand as a first year LT was not a problem? that wiegert and wade were injured was not a problem? i think that mckinney is popular whipping boy on the board.

does anybody have a stat for number of sacks given up by each texans OL in 2004?
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with the offensive line taken care of it gives us alot more freedom in the draft.
it is still not taken care of if pace were to be added to the roster.

and nobody knows if he is "serious" about protecting carr but himself.
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Well on NFL network they said the deal was as good as done and Rams and Texans were agreeing on the terms....
I just meant that we will have to give up our 1st round pick to get him, thats all.
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Hmmm ok a 1st and a 3rd. I can live with it. Carr needed protection NOW and Alex Barron wasnt going to provide it.

We had an extra 3rd from Drew Henson trade, so basically 2 years ago drafting drew henson in addition to a 1st round pick (which we probably would have used on a lesser lineman) is what it took to get Pace, a former 1st overall pick. It would give us 3 offensive players taken in the top 3.

Sharper is still on the roster. Does he redo his contract to stay here now that he has seen us make a huge move in a sorely needed area or is he still trade bait? what will we get for him a second rounder maybe?

Now what does this leave for us to do with our first draft pick which at this point is in the 2nd round. I'd look at one of the 2 TE's left in Kevin Everrett from Miami and Alex Smith from Stanford. Also maybe that 2nd WR since we havn't made a move at that slot. We could give ourselves a dominant offensive line with David Baas. Roscoe Parrish from Miami would give us great pair of Miami wideouts.

Point is, as martha stewart would say, Its a good thing.
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can anyone else confirm this?
I swear i wouldn't lie about a thing like this...Anyone else have NFL network to confirm this???? I believe the NFL network so i feel confident Pace will be a Texan but it won't offically be announced till Wednesday. Unless the Rams really do something ungodly to change this, i believe the NFL net.
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I just meant that we will have to give up our 1st round pick to get him, thats all.
They said Texans said 1st and 3rd...I guess we'll see but they must want him awfully bad.
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the 3rd is the drew henson bonus pick
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