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Old 03-14-2005   #181
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I think Pace turns 30 in November.

So, we shuld get a good 6 years out of him.

lol, we'd be lucky to get 3...maybe 4.
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If this deal does go down, I'm guessing we will be seeing a former Texan play against us in Reliant next year when the Rams visit Houston.
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once again, i don't think sharper will be part of any deal. the rams have already signed 2 LB's this offseason. i believe thier goal would be to get an LT and picks.
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the consensus here is Wand, Sharper and a 3rd rounder. so we could probaly meet half way i wouldn't be too upset.

I think Pace will come cheaper than alot expect, although expensive he wont be looking at the huge signing bonus back when he had his previous agents (the Poston brothers) now he has an Agent that is more available to make a deal. Also he made those huge contract demands back when he was 27 and 28 years old he is 30 now and his contract will reflect that.
Now I can live with that. I'm jus not down for giving up two people AND our #1. We need our #1. Remember, offense scores points but defense gets you to the bowl.
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I'd send them Sharper, Wand and our first pick....but that may not be enough. Give Foreman a broom and perhaps he could clean up their locker rooms too. He has some sort of value.
It would depend... what the avg age for an O-Lineman? Do they play for a long time...my initial guess would be yeh, but just checking.
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Last Year 25 million signing bonus
Two Years Ago I think it was like 7 year 145 million contract

Your managment can get off the money and pay this.

Like I said enjoy Pace I don't care take him.
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i think the outrageous demands were more poston that pace.
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610 is saying that this year's #13, Sharper, and next year's 2nd would be fair.
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From what I have gathered, we can work out a deal that is right about the same as Walter Jones got in Seattle. The only real sticking point in all this is how we compensate the Rams. I think we will know by tomorrow.
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610 is saying that this year's #13, Sharper, and next year's 2nd would be fair.
No way I do this if I was the Rams. That's not a fair deal in my book.
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610 is saying that this year's #13, Sharper, and next year's 2nd would be fair.
I know that our O-Line could really use some help, but i dont like the idea of giving away our 13th pick unless we were to pick one up from someone else.
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610 is saying that this year's #13, Sharper, and next year's 2nd would be fair.
I'd rather give up one of our 3rd's this year. A 2nd next year is worth a 3rd this year. Next year's draft is deeper.
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I read that wrong 84. I didn't see the 13th pick. That would be much more even.
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Then again, Pace makes Carr, Johnson, Gaffney, Davis and Hollings better. On top of that, if he improves our run game, he helps the D big time.
We still can't forget, one person doesn't make a line. Grant it, he's helps tremendously on the left side, but we still have a half-wit making the line calls. By Half-wit I mean Steve McWhinney *cough* sorry, McKinney. If we go after Pace, are we gonna have enough in cap room to get the other pieces to this puzzle?
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I read that wrong 84. I didn't see the 13th pick. That would be much more even.
LOL, I was gonna say...you would be one tough GM then.
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I just heard on my local news that our Front Office said we are not interested in a trade and if the Texans want him it will take 2 first round picks but thats probably just a ploy to get more than he's worth.
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I still say NO WAY to giving them our #1. They wouldn't take Sharper. They might take Wand and some picks but I would definately not give them our #1.
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I still say NO WAY to giving them our #1. They wouldn't take Sharper. They might take Wand and some picks but I would definately not give them our #1.
Shoot it will take our #1 AND more to get him. It is unreasonable to think anything else.
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I just heard on my local news that our Front Office said we are not interested in a trade and if the Texans want him it will take 2 first round picks but thats probably just a ploy to get more than he's worth.
It may be worth two 1's if that was all I had to give up as the Texans GM. This year will not have any elite linemen and if we secure Pace we are probably playoff contenders and will likely have a pick in the 20's next season. Securing one of the top 2 players in the NFL at LT is likely worth it to me.
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I am against acquiring Pace.

My concern is that he is finally going to get his big payday and then take it easy. All these years he's been franchised he has only received his salary and not one of the big signing bonuses that is the only guaranteed part of a long term contract. Once he gets that big bonus, and he has been demanding $15-20 million as a signing bonus, he can put that in the bank and just sit on his ample (that means really big) behind and keep collecting paychecks because he would be too much of a cap hit for the Texans to cut.

Or maybe he gets injured like Boselli did. He is at the same age Boselli was when he got injured, and he has nowhere near the work ethic or integrity that Boselli did in trying to come back. If Pace gets injured the Texans will be screwed much more than they ever were with Boselli because Pace will be a bigger cap hit, the Texans have less cap space now, and now is when the Texans are trying to make a playoff move so therefore dead cap space is more meaningful. There are still quite a few "fans" who get upset at the mention of Boselli's name. There is a much bigger potential downside in acquiring Orlando Pace.

Is Pace going to work hard?
Is he going to be a cancer?

If Pace decides to rededicate himself and stays healthy, the Texans will be getting a Pro Bowl caliber player and a big piece of the playoff puzzle.

However, if Pace does like a lot of players do and coasts after finally getting his big payday or gets injured, this deal can end up being a huge disaster for the Texans.

Bigger than his ego or his posterior.
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