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Old 03-13-2005   #1
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Rick Gosselin always puts out his mocks year in and year out and he does not pretend to be a scout. He just has fantastic connections in the NFL community and his stuff is always a reflection of the scouts and personel people he talks to. He is one of the more accurate guys from year to year. Fairly interesting top-10. If you click the link there is a pretty good article in addition to this list.

1. Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan

A three-year starter with 252 career catches. Edwards, the winner of the 2004 Biletnikoff Award, is the best blend of polish and accomplishment on this draft board.

2. Ronnie Brown, HB, Auburn
Auburn tailback Ronnie Brown shot out of the blocks and perhaps to the top of NFL draft boards with his time in the 40. His 4.48-second 40-yard dash at 233 pounds at the combine shot him to the top of the running back board. He also has the best hands among the draft's elite backs.

3. Carnell "Cadillac" Williams, HB, Auburn

Just a stride behind Brown with a 4.50 40, Williams was the reason Brown spent his career as a part-time starter. Williams rushed for 1,100 more career yards than Brown.

4. Aaron Rodgers, QB, Cal

The NFL loves accuracy, and that's Rodgers' strength. He has a lightning-quick release and completed 63.8 percent of his career passes. But at 6-2, he lacks prototype size for the position.

5. Cedric Benson, HB, Texas

Benson may indeed be the best back in the draft. But by not running at the combine, he opened the door for Brown and Williams to pass him – and they did. Benson was a 5,500-yard career rusher at Texas.

6. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn

Adam "Pac Man" Jones went to the combine with top billing at the cornerback position. But Jones didn't work out and Rogers did. What he showed NFL scouts was a 6-0 corner with 4.31 speed.

7. Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin

Pass rushers don't slide on draft day, and the Big Ten's Defensive Player of the Year brings speed off the edge. James had eight sacks last season and forced seven career fumbles.

8. Adam "Pac Man" Jones, CB, West Virginia

Jones has an edge over Rogers in that he's an elite kick returner. But Terence Newman was an elite college kick returner, too, and has returned just one NFL kick for the Cowboys.

9. Alex Smith, QB, Utah

Smith has the height (6-4) that Rodgers lacks and may wind up as the top quarterback on the board. But he has started only two seasons at a lower-level conference and is only 20 years old.

10. Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma

Like James, Cody led a major conference in sacks this season. He plays the game on the other side of the line with 38 career tackles for loss. But James worked out at Indy, Cody didn't.

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is this just a draft board or projected draft order? very interesting either way
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let me get this straight...he has dan cody on there but no derrick johnson?????
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Thanks for the link, Vinny.
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let me get this straight...he has dan cody on there but no derrick johnson?????
Yup, if he dosen't have Johnson I'd really have to do a lot of discounting to his credibility because DJ is very easily the top defensive player in this years draft and the Okie DE maybe falls out of the top 20 on Draft Day - I think he's the most overrated defensive play with Williamson (SC WR) being the most overrated offensive player . Also, I'm not buying his idea that 3 of top 5 are RBs.
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There are rumors that DJ is not that high with many NFL teams, because of his prefreence to run around blockers to get to the ball in college. The problem with this is that in the NFL you can't do this. Norm Hitzgis(?), a radio legend and somebody who has Gosselin on his show, said last week that the Cowboys would NOT draft DJ at the 11 spot, the 20 maybe, but not the 11.

As for those questioning Gosselin remember this, over the last 5 years both his mock and his top 100 are the mostaccurate in the nation. Guy knows his stuff, even nearly nailed the Babin pick, spot not team.

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If by chance the draft went this way, there would be dancing in the streets of Houston, because they would be picking someone VERY good.
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I'm more shocked that Carlos Rogers and Dan Cody are in this top ten. Of course every draft is a complete suprise really. I think thats what makes all this guessing so much fun. :woot
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his record speaks for itself- http://www.thehuddlereport.com/top100/

that being the case, this is not his final Mock Draft or even a Mock Draft at all just a reference point of his Top 10 talent one month before the actual draft & certainly not the one graded out against the competition. therefore take with a grain of salt this is not the final cut. IMO
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Guy knows his stuff, even nearly nailed the Babin pick, spot not team.
Mel Kiper, who knows a lot about marketing but have doubts about his NFL knowledge(atleast the ideas he has that aren't plagiarized) also nailed the
Babin pick. Sometimes people who don't know much at all just get lucky.
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Gosselin's record, and for that matter Kiper's the last couple fo years, speak for themselves. I'm the biggest Kiper basher, but I must admit that a)he knows more about the draft than I do, b)he had a very good year last year and c)he uses more hair products than my wife.

If you think you can better throw downyour top 100 and a mock before the draft in April, if not excpet that maybe, just maybe the player you think is the best isn't.
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There are rumors that DJ is not that high with many NFL teams, because of his prefreence to run around blockers to get to the ball in clooege...
I think DJ's problem is that he's a classic 43 Will LB in a draft that has a lot of 34 defenses at the top.

1) Niners - Switching to the 34
2) Fins - Will play some 34 in addition to the 43
3) Brownies - Switching to the 34
11) Girls - Switching to the 34
12) Bolts - 34 defense
13) Texans - 34 defense

DJ is actually a perfect fit for the Bears & Bucs 43 cover 2 scheme, but those teams have to focus on offense. The Titans have maybe the best 43 Will LB in the league in Keith Bullock. The Vikes need to find a WR to replace Moss. The Skins have Arrington at WOLB. Boss Bailey is returning from injury and will play WOLB for the Lions. Arizona is the team that's the best fit for Johnson, but they really need a RB & haven't picked up one during the free agency and trading period.

So I feel it's more that events have conspired against DJ to keep him from being a high #1 pick. I think the "running around blocks" criticism is over blown, as well. Bullock & Ray Lewis run around blocks on a routine basis, because they have the ability to do so. Their quickness makes blockers whiff, and Johnson also has that type of athleticism. I still feel that DJ will be a top 10 pick because some of the teams (like the Titans) will want to move down for extra picks and some teams in the middle of round 1 will be looking for a playmaker at LB (KC & New Orleans for example).

That DJ didn't make Gosselin's top 10 is not surprising because the teams currently in the top 10 don't have a need for him. That can change by draft day. The one guy who I think Gosselin has gone to sleep on is Maryland's Shawne Merriman. Might be the 1st defender off the board on draft day.
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Mel Kiper, who knows a lot about marketing but have doubts about his NFL knowledge(atleast the ideas he has that aren't plagiarized) also nailed the
Babin pick. Sometimes people who don't know much at all just get lucky.

Draft speculation is NOT about who is the better player. It never has been, and this is why folks like Gosselin and Kiper are successful at what they do. They understand one simple fact: the draft is about psychology first and foremost. It is not about player skill, but about the perception of player skill - which may or may not be the same thing for any given player.

These guys don't get lucky. They know what the NFL teams are thinking in advance. Of course, it's not an exact science - it's more like the weather. These guys are the meteorologists.
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