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Old 06-11-2010   #1
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Why were we only able to hold our opponents to under 20 points twice in the last 8 games?
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Why were we only able to hold our opponents to under 20 points twice in the last 8 games?
The loss of Eugene Wilson... then, of Dom Barber, which led to the return of Busing/Brian Russell.


And, are defense wasn't "so good"... it was just much better.
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If Okoye reverts to rookie form & Mitchell is as good as i think/hope hell be.

Inside pressure + MW = .

And that's not a kitten with a ball of yarn.
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Lack of a running game to kill clock time didn't help so much either.
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The loss of Eugene Wilson... then, of Dom Barber, which led to the return of Busing/Brian Russell.


And, are defense wasn't "so good"... it was just much better.


I was thinking that myself... wondering where did the idea "it is" came from...?
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Week 9 Indy season scoring average 26ppg - scored 20 that week
Week 11 Titans season scoring average 22ppg - scored 20 that week
Week 12 Indy season scoring average 26ppg - scored 35 that week
Week 13 Jags season scoring average 18ppg - scored 23 that week
Week 16 Dolphins season scoring average 22.5ppg - scored 20 that week
Week 17 Patriots season scoring average 27ppg - scored 27 that week

So out of the 6 games we're looking at here, only 2 times did the team score more than their season average.

In 3 of those games, the opponent's performance was below average because they did not meet their average points per game.

And lets not forget that half of these games were quarterbacked by future hall of famers who are top 7 all time at their position.
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Week 9 Indy season scoring average 26ppg - scored 20 that week
Week 11 Titans season scoring average 22ppg - scored 20 that week
Week 12 Indy season scoring average 26ppg - scored 35 that week
Week 13 Jags season scoring average 18ppg - scored 23 that week
Week 16 Dolphins season scoring average 22.5ppg - scored 20 that week
Week 17 Patriots season scoring average 27ppg - scored 27 that week

So out of the 6 games we're looking at here, only 2 times did the team score more than their season average.

In 3 of those games, the opponent's performance was below average because they did not meet their average points per game.

And lets not forget that half of these games were quarterbacked by future hall of famers who are top 7 all time at their position.

This...there's really only 1 time in that span where you can say we blew it & that was against the jags b/c not only did we lose that game, they scored more than their season average. Indy dropping 35 on us with that offense & an all-time great under center in his prime....nothing to be ashamed about.
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This...there's really only 1 time in that span where you can say we blew it & that was against the jags b/c not only did we lose that game, they scored more than their season average. Indy dropping 35 on us with that offense & an all-time great under center in his prime....nothing to be ashamed about.
I agree, I've said all along the 2nd Jags game this year was our worst showing on defense in probably all of Kubiak's tenure. Bernard Pollard was the only guy to travel to Jacksonville that weekend. The rest of the defense had their head's up their asses back in Houston.

I remember the Jags ran 5 or 6 straight sweep runs and the whole defense was blocked except for Pollard who made the tackle on all 5 or 6 plays. Then the last drive of the game we needed a 3 and out, the front 7 was pushed aside like a feather and Pollard had to make every tackle and needless to say we didnt get the 3 and out. Schaub and the offense played with a ton of heart and produced despite some of the most boneheaded play-calling. Lol sorry, this game really grinds me gears.
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Default Re: If our defense is so good...

I think that if we can even somewhat consistently hold opponents under twenty points we'll be a definite play-off team.

10 defenses last yr. had a less than 20 point avg pts scored against them.

Texans finished 17th in that category at 20.8 pts per game. Saints finished 20th at 21.3

I think that the Texans defense should be better than they were at the beggining of last yr. How that translates over a whole season is anybody's guess. I saw an improved defense the last few games. Under 20 points is a pretty good benchmark though.
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Week 9 Indy season scoring average 26ppg - scored 20 that week
Week 11 Titans season scoring average 22ppg - scored 20 that week
Week 12 Indy season scoring average 26ppg - scored 35 that week
Week 13 Jags season scoring average 18ppg - scored 23 that week
Week 16 Dolphins season scoring average 22.5ppg - scored 20 that week
Week 17 Patriots season scoring average 27ppg - scored 27 that week

So out of the 6 games we're looking at here, only 2 times did the team score more than their season average.

In 3 of those games, the opponent's performance was below average because they did not meet their average points per game.

And lets not forget that half of these games were quarterbacked by future hall of famers who are top 7 all time at their position.

I agree that a good number of those quarterbacks are beyond outstanding.

That beings said, the title of the post concerns our defense being "so good," and these statistics are for average points scored. Average is "so-so," not "so good."

I am not hating on our defense, but from what you have here, I see that we kept 3 of these offenses below their average, and two of those were only held 2 and 2.5 points below their average (we held the Colts 6 points below their average the first time we played). Again, average and "so good" are not the same thing.

That being said, the point made earlier about losing personnel was a big factor, I think, especially when we are talking about losing safeties against elite quarterbacks.
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I agree that a good number of those quarterbacks are beyond outstanding.

That beings said, the title of the post concerns our defense being "so good," and these statistics are for average points scored. Average is "so-so," not "so good."

I am not hating on our defense, but from what you have here, I see that we kept 3 of these offenses below their average, and two of those were only held 2 and 2.5 points below their average (we held the Colts 6 points below their average the first time we played). Again, average and "so good" are not the same thing.

That being said, the point made earlier about losing personnel was a big factor, I think, especially when we are talking about losing safeties against elite quarterbacks.
Average and so good aren't the same thing yes. But the context of the original post seems to imply "we think we're this good improving defense but we're not" and the facts of the 8 game stretch in question seem to imply the opposite.
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I agree, I've said all along the 2nd Jags game this year was our worst showing on defense in probably all of Kubiak's tenure. Bernard Pollard was the only guy to travel to Jacksonville that weekend. The rest of the defense had their head's up their asses back in Houston.
I thought the first Jaguars game (Or jets or first Titans game) were the worst, but at that point it's like trying to decide if having your head shoved in a bag of rats is worse than getting kicked in the balls repeatedly.
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All I'm hoping for now is that players on both sides of the ball stay healthier coming out of TC and going into the regular season. We seem to have a pattern of overwhelming perennial preseason optimism until decimation occurs one by one by the time that the season opens. Hopefully, at least improved conditioning will have a positive effect this year...............hopefully.
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Well obviously the season was what it was but I think the first three games were an aberration on the season for the D. Take them out and the Texans allowed 19 ppg over the last 13 games which would have had them in 8th. You can go a long way with a top 5 passing attack, top 10 scoring D if they can just get decent at rushing.
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Average and so good aren't the same thing yes. But the context of the original post seems to imply "we think we're this good improving defense but we're not" and the facts of the 8 game stretch in question seem to imply the opposite.
13th total defense tied for 10th rushing 18th against the pass.

I honestly thought we were a lot better, than what the scoring stats say we are. I was looking over last years schedule. The scores I saw over the second half of the season didn't fit with what I remembered.

Your first post in this thread reminded me of something I heard on NFL Network... I think Reggie Wayne said it, "They on scholarship too."

So I'm good with that.

I'm also reminded of our 2008 season. Afterwards, we had several people saying it wasn't a big deal, that we were able to move the ball up & down the field. We ranked pretty high in total offense, both running & throwing the ball. In 2009, that translated to getting into the endzone as well.

If our defense can make the same progress in 2010, and we keep the other team out of the endzone, I think we'll have a fine year.
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Well obviously the season was what it was but I think the first three games were an aberration on the season for the D. Take them out and the Texans allowed 19 ppg over the last 13 games which would have had them in 8th. You can go a long way with a top 5 passing attack, top 10 scoring D if they can just get decent at rushing.
I had to sit through those first 3 effing games. They counted just as much as the other 14 so I can't just take those stats and throw them out because they don't jive with how the defense was the rest of the season.

One thing though, I did see improvement, but we still did ourselves dirty a lot over the course of the season. Be it not stopping the opposition on a half or game ending drive, to just giving up dumb yardage when we are holding a team down, we need to improve.

I think what pissed me off the most was 3rd down passing situations last year.
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I had to sit through those first 3 effing games. They counted just as much as the other 14 so I can't just take those stats and throw them out because they don't jive with how the defense was the rest of the season.

One thing though, I did see improvement, but we still did ourselves dirty a lot over the course of the season. Be it not stopping the opposition on a half or game ending drive, to just giving up dumb yardage when we are holding a team down, we need to improve.

I think what pissed me off the most was 3rd down passing situations last year.
I can easily throw those first 3 games out of the window...

First off, we had a brand new defensive coordinator and defensive scheme.

Second, we were making mistakes that kids in Pop Warner football don't even make

Third, we drastically elevated the talent after those first 3 games (Cushing & Quinn got better and Pollard took Bushing off the field)

Sorry you don't go from being the worst the worst run defense through the first 3 games, to being the NFL's second best run defense through the final 13 games just by chance. Another thing the OP needs to remember is we were 4th in overall defense throughout the entire season as soon as Pollard started....how's that for numbers?
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I can easily throw those first 3 games out of the window...

First off, we had a brand new defensive coordinator and defensive scheme.

Second, we were making mistakes that kids in Pop Warner football don't even make

Third, we drastically elevated the talent after those first 3 games (Cushing & Quinn got better and Pollard took Bushing off the field)

Sorry you don't go from being the worst the worst run defense through the first 3 games, to being the NFL's second best run defense through the final 13 games just by chance. Another thing the OP needs to remember is we were 4th in overall defense throughout the entire season as soon as Pollard started....how's that for numbers?
How many offseasons are we going to cherry pick defensive stats to prove that we had "an awesome defense that is turning the corner"? I'm just tired of having to say "Well if you toss out this performance and this performance we were badass!" or "after week __ we played lights out!".

I think the defense was exciting for a lot of games last year, but they also had their fair share of vomit inducing performances as well, which is pretty much par for the course for the Texans. I'm just to the point now where I have to see the defense be badass before I can anoint them. Scratch that, I want to see them be badass. Scratch that I crave seeing them be badass. I want to see teams that aren't just the scrubs (Not Oakland, Seattle) get held to a single digit score, or even a score below 17.

Something else fancy, we still lost to the two teams we played again after the first 3 weeks.

Again, I want this defense to be great, I really do, but I just can't bring myself to throw out the 3 games where we sucked the most to try to prove it to myself. Those damn games were some of the biggest abortions I've seen on the football field and I know we are a better defense than that, but they still counted, and there is nothing to say that we won't shit the bed again this coming season in the same fashion. Hopefully the offense has one of those miracle seasons where the RB's don't fumble the ball eleventy billion times, and the QB doesn't have double digit INT's. The defense getting a huge amount of turnovers throughout the season (a la the Saints last year, Steelers the year before, Pats before them) would be great to pair with an offense that doesn't make as many errors.
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Average and so good aren't the same thing yes. But the context of the original post seems to imply "we think we're this good improving defense but we're not" and the facts of the 8 game stretch in question seem to imply the opposite.
If you go back and look at the context in which the statistics were presented, the point that they were meant to support was that the defense was as good as "we all think."

Now I personally think very well of our defense, but that isn't the right way to support that assertion.
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