NCAA hands USC two-year bowl game ban, major scholarship reduction in football

[Heath Shuler]

NCAA hands USC two-year bowl game ban, major scholarship reduction in football

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun...p-usc-20100610

A two-year bowl ban and a loss of more than 20 football scholarships are among the sanctions that the NCAA has dealt USC, a source with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.

The NCAA, the governing body for collegiate sports, informed USC of its decision after a four-year investigation regarding allegations centered on former football player Reggie Bush and former basketball player O.J. Mayo. The NCAA could make its decision public as early as today.

Pete must be Nostradamus

[rmartin65]

Holy ****, thats harsh. Good though, they deserve it.

[b0ng]

And USC is done. And I was looking forward to a heated rivalry between USC and UT, OU, and TTU. Oh well at least they have Lane Kiffin!

[WWJD]

Why did it take 4 years to hash all this out?

[Dutchrudder]

Looks like the Big 12 South will still be the dominant division regardless of what conference they go to...

[b0ng]

[dc_txtech]

bout time

[The1ApplePie]

So, my Trojans did what every other college program does, but got busted because their players were high-profile?

[IDEXAN]

ESPN reporting that what Reggie Bush did was what basically what brought the whole football program down. I hope he's stripped of the Heisman and it goes to who should have won it in the first place, Vince Young, who I think did finsih second in the balloting ?

[Yankee_In_TX]

Originally Posted by The1ApplePie

So, my Trojans did what every other college program does, but got busted because their players were high-profile?

You got caught. Sanctions are just a matter of what you got caught doing.

[Dutchrudder]

Originally Posted by The1ApplePie

So, my Trojans did what every other college program does, but got busted because their players were high-profile?

It's like the Brian Cushing deal in the NFL. We know well enough that there are plenty of other cheaters out there, they just haven't been caught so they can't do anything about it.

I had a few friends on A&M's football team when I was a student, and I know they got money on the side for every game they went to. It happens, it's rampant around the league, but you gotta be smart to get by with it.

[Texan4Ever]

As per Yahoo:

• A postseason ban in football following the 2010 and 2011 seasons.

• A loss of 30 total football scholarships over the 2011, 2012 and 2013 seasons.

• A vacation of all football victories starting in December 2004 and running through the 2005 season. This includes the national championship win over Oklahoma on Jan. 4, 2005.

• An acceptance of USC’s self-imposed penalties on its basketball program, which included a forfeiture of all wins in 2007-2008 and a one-year postseason ban.

• All statistics vacated for Bush, Mayo and an unnamed women’s tennis athlete in the games which the NCAA deemed them ineligible due to rules violations.

• All titles won during ineligible games must be vacated and trophies and banners must be removed.

• Bush and Mayo must be disassociated from USC athletics.

• A forfeiture of wins in the women’s tennis program from May 2006 to May 2009, for long-distance telephone violations committed by an athlete.

• A reduction of recruiting days for the men’s basketball program in 2010-2011

• Four years of probation.

So, is this the "death penalty" for USC? Lucky Caroll bolted just in time!

[mariowillshine15]

Originally Posted by Texan4Ever

As per Yahoo:




So, is this the "death penalty" for USC? Lucky Caroll bolted just in time!

I dont think it was lucky he bolted. I think he knew this was coming and jumped off the ship before it sank.

Smart by Carroll though.

[The1ApplePie]

Originally Posted by Texan4Ever

As per Yahoo:




So, is this the "death penalty" for USC? Lucky Caroll bolted just in time!

So, we have to vacate our National Championship now?

WTF!

Congrats to Oklahoma I guess.

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by The1ApplePie

So, my Trojans did what every other college program does, but got busted because their players were high-profile?

pretty much....whats the over/under on when we see florida get lit up with ncaa sanctions?

[Kulluminatii]

Seems a bit harsh, but oh well .

[JB]

Originally Posted by Kulluminatii

Seems a bit harsh, but oh well .

Didn't Bush not cooperate for a while? Or made it difficult for the NCAA to talk to him? Perhaps they were just a bit ticked off that it took so long to get all the info.

[Kulluminatii]

Originally Posted by JB

Didn't Bush not cooperate for a while? Or made it difficult for the NCAA to talk to him? Perhaps they were just a bit ticked off that it took so long to get all the info.

No idea, I'm a Cal fan myself so this news is pleasing .

This seems like it will be a lot worse for USC than I thought. Here is a post from a user @ The Bear Insider

The penalty as imposed is a max limit of 15 per year for 3 years (usually it is 25 per year) and a total max of 75, instead of the usual 85, for 3 years. I didn't know they'd have the annual limit of 15, but I heard it with my own two ears while listening to the press conference.

Apparently they have 80 people on scholarship this year. If they graduate/lose 20 players to graduation/NFL after the 2010 season, that would put them at 60 scholarship players heading into Signing day 2011. They could add 15 scholarships, because of the penalties, which would take them to 75 (their max limit anyways) for the 2011 season.

After the 2011 season, let's say they graduate/lose 25 (I made up this number, but it seems reasonable), bringing their total to 50 scholarships heading into Signing Day 2012. They can still only add 15 for Signing Day 2012 - which would give them just 65 scholarships for the 2012 season. Following the 2012 season, let's say they lose 20 players. That takes them to 45 heading into Signing Day 2013, and they can only add 15 once again - leaving them with 60 for the 2013 season.

That is horribly damaging.

But then it gets worse. Let's say the lose just 15 that last year (following the 2013 season), bringing them to 45 heading into Signing Day 2014. They still can only add 25 per year (the NCAA limit), bringing them up to 70 scholarships for the 2014 season. Following that season, let's say they lose 15 players again. That brings them to 55 players heading into Signing Day 2015. They can again only add 25, bringing them to 80 for the 2015 season. Let's say that year they lose 15 players again. That brings them to 65. Finally, in year 6, they can get to 85 with 20 new scholarships.

And if they have a bunch of transfers this year, it will get even worse for them.

Think about that - they will be carrying 65, 60 and 70 players on scholarship during the 3 years they are on penalty. They won't be able to get back up to 85 scholarships until year SIX! Which is 2016. These penalties are going to cripple them. And this was rather conservative, presuming just 15 graduated/lost players per year in the last few years. It could take them even longer to get back to 85.


Edit: Found an SC depth chart by class. So here's how it will actually happen, assuming the appeal doesn't push the start of penalties beyond the 2011 season.

They currently have 80 on scholarship
19 seniors and no obvious early entrants to next year's draft.

End of 2010: 61 players on scholarship
Class of 2011: Max 14 players to get to 75.
End of 2011: 21 departures, maybe 2 early entrants. If so, 52 players on scholarship.
Class of 2012: Max class of 15, leaving them 67 players on scholarship.
End of 2012: Very small class. 13 players, and I already put 2 as early entrants. Too early to predict any early entrants. So 56 players on scholarship.
Class of 2013: Max class of 15, leaving them 71 players on scholarship.
End of 2013: 27 players in the class. Huge. Too early to predict early departures. This leaves them 44 players on scholarship.
Signing Day 2014: The limit of 15 annually ends this year, so they can add 25. This still leaves them with 69 for 2014 season.
End of 2014: Their class of 2011 was only 14 players. So they lose 14 (again, too early to predict early departures), leaving them at 55.
Signing Day 2015: They can add 25 - bringing them to 80.
End of 2015: They lose 15, down to 65.
Signing Day 2016: They can only add 20 to get to the max 85.


So, as I said, it will take them until 2016 to get back to 85. Astounding. And remember, any transfers will crush them even worse - because they lose the player but can't replace his scholarship because they will already be at the max of 15 per year.

LOL...USC is ******!

[b0ng]

Apple Pie's responses are the best in the thread and worth waiting for.

[mattieuk]

Originally Posted by Texan4Ever

As per Yahoo:




So, is this the "death penalty" for USC? Lucky Caroll bolted just in time!

Its short of the death penalty, but this is a good 30 year stretch in the slammer.

I'm not sure if I like this punishment. It damaged the new players, and new coaches far more than the school, or guilty parties.