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Old 05-24-2010   #1
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LOL, What a joke...so the Cardinals lose their top tier QB and replace him with a previous 1st round bust and they're still ahead of us?

Plus LMAO at the 9ers being a 2nd tier team in this league.
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We're still ahead of Tennessee and Jacksonville according to the list. Everyone in the AFC South except for Indy is in his tier 4
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yeah it pissed me off when I saw this. We are alot better then tier 4. Marshall faulk put us on the top 10 for 2010. He put us ahead of the colts. Texans wont ever get the respect they deserve until we put away some good teams.
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I love Kirwin. But, he's very tied into particular relationships inside the NFL and it clouds is perspective on some things. For instance, he was a big Buffalo fan and often predicted very good seasons for them because he really likes Dick Jauron.
It's not only that the Texans don't get respect because it's a young organization but also because this group of coaches/front office don't have relationships with much of the media. As a result, they don't get much attention.

Kirwin actually said last year after the Cincy game that he believes the Bengals are more talented and in a better position to succeed over the next few seasons... (pretty silly!)
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Hmm.. Was Dunta Robinson the best corner on the Texans last year?
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Hmm.. Was Dunta Robinson the best corner on the Texans last year?
Based on what we were paying him, what he signed in Atlanta for, name recognition, draft position, etc.... YES. And, those are the factors that often going into perceptions of the Texans. After all, Kirwin doesn't watch the Texans games closely, have any inside sources, or attend training camp. There are fans on this board that watch every game and still think Dunta was our best CB. Quin was clearly our best CB last year... but, no talking head is going to go out on a limb with a rookie 4th rounder who didn't make 7 or 8 interceptions.
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Yeah, nice rankings....

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I don't think we are an elite team yet, but we are by no means below the Bengals, Giants and 49ers.
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hehe, I like the fact that one of the reasons we're tier4 is that we play Manning twice a year... interesting
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Funny, that comment could have been said about the Texans and Indy but wasn't.

And last I checked progress meant getting better. Ryan had a regression last year and was down on yards, ypa, completion % and QB rating. Now Schaub was up on all those things but I guess he didn't like his progress.
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Who cares? I mean really. Does it matter that some yo-yo that doesn't know the team half as good as we do splashes his crap on the public?

Besides which, it's not like the Texans have a history of winning or anything.
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Predictions in May are both interesting and exciting!
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Im not even going to comment on this Bull*****!

Damn I just commented!
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Hmm.. Was Dunta Robinson the best corner on the Texans last year?
yes. he was coming off a major knee injury so anyone who expected him to come in without any problems, was delusional....but because he wrote on his shoes and because his play wasn't all that great coming off an injury, he was ran out of town. We could have had him for another year with no strings attached...but it was more important to save money than improve the football team. classic losing football team...and 9-7 or not, this franchise has been a loser on the football field. one 9-7 season doth not a franchise make.

and the salary cap excuse doesn't hold water because there is no salary cap this year....maybe all the years about them whining about dead money and salary cap was really just an excuse all along. McNair sucks....but sorry for saying that. after all, he donated the team to this city as a sign of goodwill and should be rememembered right alongside Jesus, Mother Theresa, and the Pope....but let him cry poverty some more at the owner's meetings. after all $500 million increase in the value of your team just isn't enough nowadays. dude is just days away from the poor house. poor Bob.

even with average play he was our best CB and now a full year+ removed from knee surgery, he will do well in Atlanta and leave the front office looking like cheapskating morons....per usual. Go Texans.

the Texans deserve no credit for this offseason....one of the worst we have ever had but why should they care? they had a winning season. break open the champagne and start the parades, Houston.

but at least the beer is cold and the tailgating is good because the commitment to winning is pathetic.
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yeah it pissed me off when I saw this. We are alot better then tier 4. Marshall faulk put us on the top 10 for 2010. He put us ahead of the colts. Texans wont ever get the respect they deserve until we put away some good teams.
And Marshall hasn't been kind to The Texans in years past.
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I don't think we are an elite team yet, but we are by no means below the Bengals, Giants and 49ers.
we should be below the Giants though but not the 9ers and Bengals. Giants had lots of injuries last year...and yes, much more than our Texans. The Giants win championships and make the playoffs. To act like we are better than them is lunacy. Let's try and beat some good teams instead of the Rams, Seahawks, Browns, Raiders, and Bills before we start bumping our chest. 1-5 in division is pathetic and no excuse...should ahve been 0-6 if not for Kerry Collins fumbling the game away for the Titans.

plus the whole Plaxidumbass thing....Giants are better than us until we prove otherwise.
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Yeah... his ratings are a bit weird. I know the Cowboys have a lot of things working, but you might want to see their offensive line perform before labeling them 'Tier 1'. They have questions at tackle, which could kill their passing game.

The Giants certainly are not Tier 2 right now. They had a lot of injury issues last year that they will need to get past. I'd put them at Tier 4.

The Cardinals are going to be a Tier 4 team this year. Anderson and Leinart aren't the answer at QB, and they lost Dansby and Boldin. That would be like the Texans losing Ryans and Walter this offseason.

I think the Dolphins deserve a bump up to Tier 2 given all their moves this year. They got Marshall and Dansby who are both impact players. If they can get a full season out of Brown and Williams, they should be well off.

The Texans deserve to be Tier 3, middle of the pack expectations. 8-9 wins each of the last 3 years is consistent with Tier 3 performance.

The Redskins might turn out to be a Tier 3 team or better, but that team is all jumbled up right now, and I seriously doubt they do better than 8-8 this year. Two seasons from now they should be contending for the division title, but they are still going to have issues on offense for this year. I'd put them at Tier 4.
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This is just not a phenomenon for Texans fans but fans of all NFL teams.
There are some universal message board truths all throughout this thread.

1) The writer dissing a fan's team is clearly an ***** - in this case Pat Kirwan.
2) An analyst who praises a fan's team, in this case Marshall Faulk, is obviously an all-knowing football savant.
3) The writer dismissing a team as only worthy of Tier 4 in his rankings clearly does not study said team nearly as thoroughly as fans of said team.
4) Then there are those who recognize predictions in May are about as worthless as the paper those predictions are written on.

Colts fan's or any other fans would have the exact same reaction if the roles were reversed so I don't mean this as a slight at all towards Houston fans. Just pointing out that the reactions are pretty standard and very predictable.
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yes. he was coming off a major knee injury so anyone who expected him to come in without any problems, was delusional....but because he wrote on his shoes and because his play wasn't all that great coming off an injury, he was ran out of town. We could have had him for another year with no strings attached...but it was more important to save money than improve the football team. classic losing football team...and 9-7 or not, this franchise has been a loser on the football field. one 9-7 season doth not a franchise make.

and the salary cap excuse doesn't hold water because there is no salary cap this year....maybe all the years about them whining about dead money and salary cap was really just an excuse all along. McNair sucks....but sorry for saying that. after all, he donated the team to this city as a sign of goodwill and should be rememembered right alongside Jesus, Mother Theresa, and the Pope....but let him cry poverty some more at the owner's meetings. after all $500 million increase in the value of your team just isn't enough nowadays. dude is just days away from the poor house. poor Bob.

even with average play he was our best CB and now a full year+ removed from knee surgery, he will do well in Atlanta and leave the front office looking like cheapskating morons....per usual. Go Texans.

the Texans deserve no credit for this offseason....one of the worst we have ever had but why should they care? they had a winning season. break open the champagne and start the parades, Houston.

but at least the beer is cold and the tailgating is good because the commitment to winning is pathetic.
I'm going to ignore most of this obnoxious rant and focus on Dunta. You do realize that his knee injury happened in 2007? He played the entire second half of 2008... And, you are telling me that his poor performance in 2009 is due to the lingering affects of the 2007 injury but that he will be healthy and return to his 2004 form this season... okay. I guess we'll see.

You make a decent point that we could've franchised him without ramifications beyond McNair's wallet. That being said, giving a guy $12 million that played as poorly as he did and clearly was more concerned with protecting himself from injury than helping the team win might not have been received well in the locker room... Imagine how that could've affected the potential AJ and OD holdouts.

Regarding Dunta, he has never been anything more than average in coverage. We all loved his physical and aggressive play and overestimated his cover skills because we liked him and because of his early success opposite Aaron Glenn.

SH... How about a gentlemen's wager? You set up the criteria. Tell me what statistics/results we use. I'll bet you that the secondary play is significantly better this year than last. You tell me how you want to measure that and we can meet on these boards every Monday starting in September, go over the results, and one of us can say "I told you so" and the other can eat some crow. How about it?

Interceptions?
Passes Defensed?
YPA?
points allowed?
any set of stats you want...
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