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Old 05-14-2010   #1001
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If Houston has to stand alone, we will support our own. So let it be.

Cush might be telling stories. But he's digging his own hole if thats the case. I'll support his reasoning until proven otherwise.
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Just read this in a PFT article:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-gets-exposed/

From Dr. Gary Wadler, who chairs the committe that the determines the banned substances for the World Anti-Doping Agency:

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"If he had a tumor that produced hCG, he wouldn't be playing football," Wadler said. "He would be under treatment for a malignant tumor."

Wadler also pointed out that, if Cushing had a tumor, he would have tested positive for hCG consistently. Instead, Cushing only tested positive for hCG once.

"Malignant testicular tumors producing hCG are rather lethal," Dr. Wadler said. "It is a fairly aggressive tumor and you're not playing in the NFL with one."

And that's the truest statement made today as to Cushing: "You're not playing in the NFL with one."
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This, coupled with the principle of Occam's razor, makes it a case of using logic over emotion-based reaction.

Cushing is our guy. I'll support him as a Texans fan. But I'm not going to wear blinders because I'm a Texans fan. It is what it is at the end of the day, regardless of personal opinions about the subject of drug testing or PEDs.
See, this is what gets me.

As Ive reflected more on this, I realize that I dont really care that much if he used a PED like hcg prior to entering the NFL. I know he was already "part of the NFL" tehcnically, but hear me out.

What really gets me is his story.

I want to believe him because he sounds so sincere. But what he's saying just seems to ridiculous. If its true, then I really feel for the guy. If its not, then he's lost my respsect.

Its one thing to screw up. Its another thing to invent an absurd story to cover your tracks. Its why I forgave Arod, but not Bonds. Owning up to a mistake makes it much, much better than taking your fans for morons.

LIke I said, I want to believe him. And part of me does. He sounded sincere. Ill support him until there is evidence otherwise. But if it turns out that he was lying, thats where I gotta draw the line
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What I want to know is how this guy is beating the hCG tests?

So the test is bogus, IMO.

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OK, first four games Cushing and the rookie LB switch numbers.

PROBLEM SOLVED.

And we thought it was a wasted draft pick.
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This is really all such a shame for this to happen now. I heard Cushing has basketball size tumors in his nuts.
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What I want to know is how this guy is beating the hCG tests?

So the test is bogus, IMO.

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Hopefully a really enthusiastic standing 4-O!!
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See, this is what gets me.

As Ive reflected more on this, I realize that I dont really care that much if he used a PED like hcg prior to entering the NFL. I know he was already "part of the NFL" tehcnically, but hear me out.
& I think that is where a lot of guys who are pissed are coming from. They care. & that's fine. They just need to understand, not everyone sees it the same way.

Also, just to help you out. hCG is not a PED, it is not a masking agent. It's a substance associated with steroid use. This is not definite proof that he uses/used steroids at any time.
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What really gets me is his story.

Its one thing to screw up. Its another thing to invent an absurd story to cover your tracks. Its why I forgave Arod, but not Bonds.

LIke I said, I want to believe him. And part of me does. He sounded sincere. Ill support him until there is evidence otherwise.
This is where you lose me. There is no more compelling evidence that proves Bonds used steroids, than there is that Cush juices. In both cases, it is speculation. It's a stronger case that Cushing is using. But you haven't forgiven Bonds.
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& I think that is where a lot of guys who are pissed are coming from. They care. & that's fine. They just need to understand, not everyone sees it the same way.

Also, just to help you out. hCG is not a PED, it is not a masking agent. It's a substance associated with steroid use. This is not definite proof that he uses/used steroids at any time.


This is where you lose me. There is no more compelling evidence that proves Bonds used steroids, than there is that Cush juices. In both cases, it is speculation. It's a stronger case that Cushing is using. But you haven't forgiven Bonds.
The Book "Game of Shadows" presents more compelling evidence of Bonds use of steroids than anything that's gone down with Cush to this point.
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/7006235.html

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Meanwhile, Steinberg based a big part of his appeal on Cushing's enlarged pituitary gland and a surgical procedure he had while at USC.

Steinberg told Cushing not to tell anyone about the tests, appeal or trips to hospitals in San Diego, Denver and Houston for tests to find out why his body was naturally producing hCG (human chorionic gonadotropin).

“I specifically said, ‘I don't want this to be revealed to anyone,' ” Steinberg said Friday. “Look at the firestorm that's occurred.
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“We learned that he had a particular medical condition that was consistent with natural production in the body of this banned substance. We felt with the low levels at which it tested was also consistent with natural production.

“We did research and found out that his was a plausible explanation. We consulted an expert who suggested further testing. We became convinced that this was a situation that was naturally produced.”
This stuff doesn't seem consistent with the whole tumor option. Why didn't Cushing mention the enlarged pituitary gland or the USC operation in the press conference? It seems like the doctors told him there were two possibilities, 1) Took hCG 2) Tumors, and since he denied (1) then he automatically took (2) seriously even if there was no further evidence simply by process of elimination.
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Hell how those this get so much airtime its not like Cush Killed or Raped someone.
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This stuff doesn't seem consistent with the whole tumor option. Why didn't Cushing mention the enlarged pituitary gland or the USC operation in the press conference? It seems like the doctors told him there were two possibilities, 1) Took hCG 2) Tumors, and since he denied (1) then he automatically took (2) seriously even if there was no further evidence simply by process of elimination.
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maybe that is why all Brian said was "convincing evidence." He was being told not to say otherwise.

Even if he had, since the NFL denied his appeal, the doubters are going to say that it's the biggest cockameiny load of crap they heard anyway.

He's in a no win situation. The only thing he can do, is get a handle on why his body is producing elevated levels of hCG, get it under control, continue to play like he did last year, and never have an incident like this again.
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I also have a question...I know hCG is used to restore testosterone production after a steroid cycle. But is it also used as a masking agent? I keep seeing the latter in news reports but I thought hCG was just for testosterone restoration.
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Im kinda hoping that Cushing was just roiding now...tumors, glands, endocrines...instead of being out for 4 games, if he is ill, his life could very well be on the line.
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Im kinda hoping that Cushing was just roiding now...tumors, glands, endocrines...instead of being out for 4 games, if he is ill, his life could very well be on the line.
I hope he's fine but I also hope there's some truth to his statements. Roiding to gain a competitive edge is cheating but pretty forgivable if had just said it. It doesn't strike at the core of his character if his statements turn out to be a ton of BS to cover his tracks.
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I also have a question...I know hCG is used to restore testosterone production after a steroid cycle. But is it also used as a masking agent? I keep seeing the latter in news reports but I thought hCG was just for testosterone restoration.
I just read a story in the chronicle that called hCG a masking agent. I personally would think a masking agent would be something you would take that would hide that you injected steroids.

From what I understand, that isn't the function of hCG. hCG is to reverse the damage steroids does to your body.
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I hope he's fine but I also hope there's some truth to his statements. Roiding to gain a competitive edge is cheating but pretty forgivable if had just said it. It doesn't strike at the core of his character if his statements turn out to be a ton of BS to cover his tracks.
I just finished reading a series of e-mails McClain had been receiving from a woman who has been dealing with a similar issue that Cushing is. From what she was saying, his levels could be changing due to a tumor in his brain as well thats messing up his pituitary glands. Apparently, according to this new information from his lawyer, he had surgery on that before. This probably has to be one of the scariest situations Cushing is going through IF he isn't lying and now, I hope he is cause man...if it turns out to be something else it could be bad.

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