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Old 04-25-2010   #1
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I may be way off base, but I'm not too worried about the season for one reason: If Kubiak can't win with all this talent, it's pretty safe to say he's going to be fired.

I would HATE HATE HATE to sit through another season, witnessing the same mistakes that we made last year, but I could do so with the thought of McNair hiring a 'big name' coach at the end of the season.

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Either the Kubiak haters are wrong, and we finally get a team worth having the name Houston attached to them or the haters are right and we get a new coach, with a good, young nucleus and a few draft picks to get them over the hump.
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I may be way off base, but I'm not too worried about the season for one reason: If Kubiak can't win with all this talent, it's pretty safe to say he's going to be fired.

I would HATE HATE HATE to sit through another season, witnessing the same mistakes that we made last year, but I could do so with the thought of McNair hiring a 'big name' coach at the end of the season.

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Either the Kubiak haters are wrong, and we finally get a team worth having the name Houston attached to them or the haters are right and we get a new coach, with a good, young nucleus and a few draft picks to get them over the hump.
If Kubiak is fired at the end of the season it means Houston didn't make the playoffs. It means they would have to find a new coach. It means they would have to find new players to fit the new coaches scheme. It means current players would have to learn a new scheme. Which likely means Houston won't sniff the playoffs until at least year two of the new coach. Having to wait three years for Houston to make the playoffs has me worried. I would prefer them to just go ahead and make the playoffs so Kubiak doesn't have to get fired.
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If Kubiak is fired at the end of the season it means Houston didn't make the playoffs. It means they would have to find a new coach. It means they would have to find new players to fit the new coaches scheme. It means current players would have to learn a new scheme. Which likely means Houston won't sniff the playoffs until at least year two of the new coach.
Yes, of course, just like how went Rex Ryan replaced Mangini. They had to wait no seasons to make the playoffs.
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Yes, of course, just like how went Rex Ryan replaced Mangini. They had to wait no seasons to make the playoffs.
The Jets improved from a 9-7 team to a 9-7 team. They only got nine wins last because their last two opponents laid down for them. Big improvement there.

Houston runs a zone block system that I believe only one other team in the league runs (Washington). They get their o-line based on that scheme. Depending on the new coach they would have to change their image quite a bit. They would basically have to go from a finesse football team to whatever the new coach wants. Who would you want as the new head coach? If it was someone like Cowher who likes to run a 3-4 D, and likes his O-line to be tough you would have to do an overhaul on both fronts. Changing schemes, getting players who fit that scheme, teaching current players the new playbook etc.. All of it takes time. I would prefer Houston to make the playoffs this year then to worry about all this.
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The Jets improved from a 9-7 team to a 9-7 team. They only got nine wins last because their last two opponents laid down for them. Big improvement there.

Houston runs a zone block system that I believe only one other team in the league runs (Washington). They get their o-line based on that scheme. Depending on the new coach they would have to change their image quite a bit. They would basically have to go from a finesse football team to whatever the new coach wants. Who would you want as the new head coach? If it was someone like Cowher who likes to run a 3-4 D, and likes his O-line to be tough you would have to do an overhaul on both fronts. Changing schemes, getting players who fit that scheme, teaching current players the new playbook etc.. All of it takes time. I would prefer Houston to make the playoffs this year then to worry about all this.
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The Jets improved from a 9-7 team to a 9-7 team. They only got nine wins last because their last two opponents laid down for them. Big improvement there.

Houston runs a zone block system that I believe only one other team in the league runs (Washington). They get their o-line based on that scheme. Depending on the new coach they would have to change their image quite a bit. They would basically have to go from a finesse football team to whatever the new coach wants. Who would you want as the new head coach? If it was someone like Cowher who likes to run a 3-4 D, and likes his O-line to be tough you would have to do an overhaul on both fronts. Changing schemes, getting players who fit that scheme, teaching current players the new playbook etc.. All of it takes time. I would prefer Houston to make the playoffs this year then to worry about all this.
Seattle and Oakland both run it as well and there is another team as well that I cannot think of at the moment.

Changing coaches and schemes would set this team back another 3 years though.
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The reason I am willing to give Kubes another shot is definitely not because of his coaching skills, it is because of how he and Rick Smith have built the team to this point. I hope he can learn to be an adequate coach, because a new coach could very well mean a new GM as well since a lot of the "big name" coaches want to do things their way.
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If Kubiak is fired at the end of the season it means Houston didn't make the playoffs. It means they would have to find a new coach. It means they would have to find new players to fit the new coaches scheme. It means current players would have to learn a new scheme. Which likely means Houston won't sniff the playoffs until at least year two of the new coach. Having to wait three years for Houston to make the playoffs has me worried. I would prefer them to just go ahead and make the playoffs so Kubiak doesn't have to get fired.
People need to stop with the "if we get a new coach, we won't make the playoffs for x amount of years because of the new scheme". Have you guys not seen all of these rookie head coaches make the playoffs and even go deep in the playoffs? Rex Ryan anyone?

Edit: And that was just last season. The 2008 season would be an even better example here. People need to get off that new coach, wait for playoffs thing. We've seen it isn't true too many times these past couple of years.
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People need to stop with the "if we get a new coach, we won't make the playoffs for x amount of years because of the new scheme". Have you guys not seen all of these rookie head coaches make the playoffs and even go deep in the playoffs? Rex Ryan anyone?
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I saw it. Check out my last edit.
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Absolutely! Those who are scroll bar challenged can find it here.

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This has immediately vaulted into my list of top 5 stupidest threads ever.
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Absolutely! Those who are scroll bar challenged can find it here.

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People act like Rex Ryan is the only example. Explain these coaches then:

Mike Smith (Atlanta)

Sean Payton (New Orleans)

John Harbaugh (Baltimore)

Hell, Mike Tomlin even. I'm probably forgetting other coaches, too.
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People act like Rex Ryan is the only example. Explain these coaches then:

Mike Smith (Atlanta)

Sean Payton (New Orleans)

John Harbaugh (Baltimore)

Hell, Mike Tomlin even. I'm probably forgetting other coaches, too.
"Totally understand your point. But you need to remember that none of the above coaches had to overcome 4 years of Casserly/Capers
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People act like Rex Ryan is the only example. Explain these coaches then:

Mike Smith (Atlanta)

Sean Payton (New Orleans)

John Harbaugh (Baltimore)

Hell, Mike Tomlin even. I'm probably forgetting other coaches, too.
Every time someone mentions Rex Ryan as the miracle worker, I will say Curtis Painter. Want to use Sean Payton as an example? Fine. I have no problem with that. If the Jets last 2 regular season opponents had shown up, the Jets would have been 8-8 at best and sitting home. I say again, Curtis Painter!
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All I'm trying to say is that I am not giving up on this season, or think that Kubes can't get the job done. What I am saying is IF THEY CAN'T GET IT DONE, then another coach will inherit a good deal of talent, and should have a quicker turnaround than what Kubiak took over.
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Every time someone mentions Rex Ryan as the miracle worker, I will say Curtis Painter. Want to use Sean Payton as an example? Fine. I have no problem with that. If the Jets last 2 regular season opponents had shown up, the Jets would have been 8-8 at best and sitting home. I say again, Curtis Painter!
If that's the case, then how did the Jets make it to the AFC Championship Game?
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If that's the case, then how did the Jets make it to the AFC Championship Game?
The Bengals laid down the last game of the season too thinking they would come back next week with rested players and beat the Jets in the rematch. Go ask Marvin Lewis how well that strategy worked out.

The point is, no Curtis Painter and the Jets would have finished the regular season 8-8 at best and would have been watching the playoffs at home.
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If that's the case, then how did the Jets make it to the AFC Championship Game?

Excuse or reason is POV

Jets made the AFCCG because of their defense and running game, most of which was in place before Ryan took over.

He added a couple of players and his scheme from Baltimore and it worked wonders. With the #1 running game (how much of that was Ryan's?) and a top defense (this I will credit Ryan's with) it is not that surprising. I submit that if Kubiak had came to a team with a top 5 defense, and only needed to install a couple of players (Schaub & Brown?) then the Texans would have been in the playoffs in 2007 at the latest.
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