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Old 04-21-2010   #21
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This is not a binary system of no audibles or call the plays at the line. Kubiak and Schaub have both stated they script about 15 plays to start the game. They basically want those run as called to see the reaction of the D. Even then they don't rule out audibles entirely. After that Schaub has the option to audible but his playbook of audible options is much smaller than say Manning's. It isn't a comment on Schaub - Shanahan/Kubiak didn't want Elway running free either.
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I heard on The Blitz that Schuab actually goes to the line with more than one play and then picks a play from what he sees the opp defense is doing
I heard something similar, but a bit different.
They differentiate between an audible and a "check". Quarterbacks who call audibles, generally have quite a few plays that they can audible to.
With our system, there is one play called, and a single check play that is designed to beat any defense that would be strong against the original play.
The philosophy is that we know what defenses will stop our original play, and are confident that the check play will be effective against those defenses.
If you can defend play A, then you have a weakness that can be exploited by play B.
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Default Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB

I really can't see Schaub having to go to the line and run the play called regardless of situation. That would be suicide for the offense. That's not to say he has anything remotely resembling free rein, but it certainly seems that he has options.
Much has been made of plays being scripted. That script isn't written in stone. If a particular play is working or the down and distance dont favor the scripted play, it gets changed. To think otherwise is naive.
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This is not a binary system of no audibles or call the plays at the line. Kubiak and Schaub have both stated they script about 15 plays to start the game. They basically want those run as called to see the reaction of the D. Even then they don't rule out audibles entirely. After that Schaub has the option to audible but his playbook of audible options is much smaller than say Manning's. It isn't a comment on Schaub - Shanahan/Kubiak didn't want Elway running free either.

Are these "scripted" 15 plays called per series, or continued into the next possession? The latter would not make much sense to me. Also, either way, a test of 15 straight plays could explain why the Texans, at least on occasion, look like slow learners (adapters).
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Are these "scripted" 15 plays called per series, or continued into the next possession? The latter would not make much sense to me. Also, either way, a test of 15 straight plays could explain why the Texans, at least on occasion, look like slow learners (adapters).
Many teams script their first 10, 12, 15 plays. As Cak said, they can still audible out, but the idea is to give the OC a good sample size of what the defense is trying to do to you. So yes, the scripting will last into a second, maybe even a third series.
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Are these "scripted" 15 plays called per series, or continued into the next possession? The latter would not make much sense to me. Also, either way, a test of 15 straight plays could explain why the Texans, at least on occasion, look like slow learners (adapters).
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Many teams script their first 10, 12, 15 plays. As Cak said, they can still audible out, but the idea is to give the OC a good sample size of what the defense is trying to do to you. So yes, the scripting will last into a second, maybe even a third series.
Most teams script plays. They are not lock step but have down and distance contingencies. Yes they will carry over to a 2nd series, again dependent on down and distance calls. Imagine the Denny's menu with 8 plays for 2nd and 5 or less with 1 selected as the first time it comes up in the first 15 plays and another for a 2nd instance if necessary. Scripted doesn't mean be stupid and the 3rd play of the game must be run to the left on 3rd and 25 yds.
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Am I understanding that these scripted plays are only used at the beginning of the game........or are they used repeatedly throughout the game (changed from the initial one if need be). If you are feeling out your opponent, it would seem that you would be able to get their general "pattern" at the beginning........but, then again, if they change their tactics later, you would need to rescript your next 15 plays.
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Am I understanding that these scripted plays are only used at the beginning of the game........or are they used repeatedly throughout the game (changed from the initial one if need be). If you are feeling out your opponent, it would seem that you would be able to get their general "pattern" at the beginning........but, then again, if they change their tactics later, you would need to rescript your next 15 plays.
Traditionally they have been used to begin the game. More recently some teams including the Texans have been playing with having 8-10 to start off the 2nd half with the same theory of pulling out what half time adjustments the other team has made.
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Am I understanding that these scripted plays are only used at the beginning of the game........or are they used repeatedly throughout the game (changed from the initial one if need be). If you are feeling out your opponent, it would seem that you would be able to get their general "pattern" at the beginning........but, then again, if they change their tactics later, you would need to rescript your next 15 plays.
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Traditionally they have been used to begin the game. More recently some teams including the Texans have been playing with having 8-10 to start off the 2nd half with the same theory of pulling out what half time adjustments the other team has made.

Exaclty... Spot on.
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Cak and TB,

Thanks for the clarifications.
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I don't see any problem with the Texans running scripted plays, I think once we get out of the script the coaches are having a hard time making adjustments to defeat opposing defenses. I think the "check" format of our plays is the one I hear about being true, where we have 2 plays, 1 is the main play and 1 is the check.

It seems silly to me to be so restrictive of Schaub. Tell him that audibles are to be used whenever you think the defense will have a severe upper hand if the play goes off as normal, but at least give him more than 2 plays to choose from at the line.

We can also bring into the conversation the play from the Indy game.

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1-10-IND 10 (2:30) (Pass formation) 8-M.Schaub pass short left to 21-R.Moats to IND 1 for 9 yards (41-A.Bethea). Indianapolis challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Pass formation) 8-M.Schaub pass short left to 21-R.Moats to IND 1 for 9 yards (41-A.Bethea). FUMBLES (41-A.Bethea), ball out of bounds in End Zone, Touchback.
In this play if Schaub was allowed to run up and spike the ball or run a quick play, we would've gotten out of giving the ball up as it took the refs awhile before the play was challenged. For whatever reason, Schaub either didn't want to go up and run a quick play himself, or has been instructed to wait until the play is called from the sidelines. If Schaub had more leniency in situations like this, would we have had a better shot against the colts that game?

I think Kubiak pretty much being the entire offensive mastermind with not really giving up playcalling duties has affected other game time decisions in other areas (Challenge flags for one) that he is less comfortable with. Could the offense be modified to allow more freedom with quick-snap decisions?
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In this play if Schaub was allowed to run up and spike the ball or run a quick play, we would've gotten out of giving the ball up as it took the refs awhile before the play was challenged. For whatever reason, Schaub either didn't want to go up and run a quick play himself, or has been instructed to wait until the play is called from the sidelines. If Schaub had more leniency in situations like this, would we have had a better shot against the colts that game?
Manning is the only QB in the league with the kind of discretion you are talking about (and that only after Dungy left). Even he would have expected to get the call from Dungy as you could see on multiple occasions where he clearly disagreed with whether to go for it on 4th down, etc. and got called off the field by Dungy.
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Manning is the only QB in the league with the kind of discretion you are talking about (and that only after Dungy left). Even he would have expected to get the call from Dungy as you could see on multiple occasions where he clearly disagreed with whether to go for it on 4th down, etc. and got called off the field by Dungy.
That was a potential 2nd and 10 play if we had run a quick one to get out of being nailed with a fumble. Why is Peyton Manning the only QB in the league allowed to run up and either run a true play quickly or spike the ball to get a quick play off before the previous is challenged? Now I know I've seen teams other than the Colts run a quick play after a questionable call was made in their favor, and you're telling me that every one of those plays not involving Manning had a coach making that decision with nothing coming from the QB?
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Why would Gary Kubiak let his QB audible?

He sat behind one of the greatest QBs of all time, a semi-Peyton Manning type of game-changing QB named John Elway.

No, this is Gary Kubiak's chance to be a starting QB. Gary calls the play, closes his eyes, and imagines it's him throwing that ball to Andre Johnson. Maybe THIS is why he looks away all the time?

I kid, I kid...
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Are you saying that the QB not having the ability to call a different play at the line is the lynchpin of our offense and we should keep it exactly the same as we had last season because that was most Schaub has ever passed for? I don't think anybody is calling to scrap the play-action pass, but would our offense be really hampered that much with Schaub having access to audibles?

I guess what we're really asking is, Is Schaub smart enough to have that responsibility?
No. I'm saying whatever it is that the Texans are doing as it pertains to who has what athority to make what decisions is clearly working and therefore, it doesn't need to be changed.
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No. I'm saying whatever it is that the Texans are doing as it pertains to who has what authority to make what decisions is clearly working and therefore, it doesn't need to be changed.
I think it's pretty inevitable things in our offense will change from year to year or we'd be incredibly easy game-plan for. As it stands one could say that many changes are going to happen over the off-season and even decision making duties have changed hands since Kubiak has been here.

To act as though our offensive design will work just as well from one year to the next seems like an easy way to fall behind the curve of other NFL teams.
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Why give special permissions to those who can't stay on the field? Schaub has proven he can stay healthy up to 15.5 games in a year and that only once.

Other than some play calls, some boneheaded mistakes and some....boneheaded play calls...the process of the offense runs fine. Audibles/no audibles/checks/whatever. Of course Schaub will be given another level of trust/responsibility because he earned that. Hootin' and hollerin' ala Manning pre snap isn't going to be one of them.
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I don't know about freedom, but I hope they give him the big American Samoan guard. that way if there's eight or nine in the box, they can run the play anyway.
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Here's a play in which MS might have pulled an audible:

4th and 1 just outside the Dolphins 10.

Miami lined up with 5 men on the LOS plus 2 LBs (one of them inched up to the line).

Texans in 3-WR set with TE and Foster as the lone RB.

A run here would pit six blockers against seven defenders.
There's also the big possibility of a blitz.

So the Texans sent Foster wide to the left as a decoy.

The Dolphins blitzed 6.

Dreesen went out to take on one LB (who was dropping back).

AJ (from the slot) headed for the spot where the other LB had vacated (he was blitzing).

Quick pass MS to AJ. Touchdown Texans.
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