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Old 04-21-2010   #1
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Default If Toby Gerhart Were Black, He'd Go First Round

According to one NFL scout, Toby Gerhart would be a first rounder if he were just black.

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“He’ll be a great second-round pickup for somebody, but I guarantee you if he was the exact same guy – but he was black – he’d go in the first round for sure,” the scout said.
The sentiment isn't isolated to this scout, of course.

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“One team I interviewed with asked me about being a white running back,” Gerhart says. “They asked if it made me feel entitled, or like I felt I was a poster child for white running backs. I said, ‘No, I’m just out there playing ball. I don’t think about that.’ I didn’t really know what to say.”
And then there's my favorite quote from Gerhart:

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In college I went up against players like [USC’s] Brian Cushing(notes) and Clay Matthews(notes) – guys who ended up making the Pro Bowl [as NFL rookies] – and I ran through their tackles.
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According to one NFL scout, Toby Gerhart would be a first rounder if he were just black.
Lol what a strange question to respond to. I wonder if theres anything to it.

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And then there's my favorite quote from Gerhart:
Why did he only mention white players? hmmmmmmmmm
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Why did he only mention white players? hmmmmmmmmm
Maybe because they're the LBs he faced that went to the Pro Bowl as rookies.
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Default Re: If Toby Gerhart Were Black, He'd Go First Round

Awesome! Sounds like we can get a 1st round player for the bargain price of a 2nd round pick!
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Default Re: If Toby Gerhart Were Black, He'd Go First Round

yes, but no matter where he goes, he'll get better endorsements because he's white, so it all works out
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Default Re: If Toby Gerhart Were Black, He'd Go First Round

The fact that people talk about it means it's an issue.

Go white people!!!
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Default Re: If Toby Gerhart Were Black, He'd Go First Round

Hell yeah if Gerhart was black and a much better player he could go in round 1.

Now if he was the same talent that he is now, and black, maybe undrafted FA.
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Default Re: If Toby Gerhart Were Black, He'd Go First Round

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The fact that people talk about it means it's an issue.

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Default Re: If Toby Gerhart Were Black, He'd Go First Round

Hmmmm, its a Gerhart thread and yet rmartin65 isn't in it....
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Default Re: If Toby Gerhart Were Black, He'd Go First Round

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Hell yeah if Gerhart was black and a much better player he could go in round 1.

Now if he was the same talent that he is now, and black, maybe undrafted FA.
That's not what the scout is asserting. He's saying exact same player, but black.
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That's not what the scout is asserting. He's saying exact same player, but black.
Yeah it was my lame attempt at dry humor.

I dont think Gerhart is as good as everyone else. I think he is a 3rd round talent. So obviously I dont think him being black would make him a first round talent.

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Default Re: If Toby Gerhart Were Black, He'd Go First Round

A story on race is a great traffic driver. Thankfully, the NFL is a meritocracy and Gerhart will have his day to prove himself. However, his agent is insane for letting this story publish and put the specter of race on this soon to be rookie as he enters a new locker room.

IMHO, the only parties that get value out of this story is the publisher and those that enjoy finger pointing.
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Maybe Jimmy the Greek really was on to something....LOL
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Hmmmm, its a Gerhart thread and yet rmartin65 isn't in it....
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That's not what the scout is asserting. He's saying exact same player, but black.
Yeah, but other people think he just doesn't have 1st round talent.

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“I don’t like him,” one NFC general manager told me at the combine. “If he’s your No. 1 back, he’s going to get killed by the end of the season, because he takes too many hits. And he has no special teams value. To me, what you see is what you get. He’s pretty good at everything, but he doesn’t do anything that’s special at our level.”

Said an AFC front-office executive: “This guy runs exactly the way the hole is blocked and gets exactly what you think he’s going to get – maybe a little more because he runs so hard, but nothing more explosive than that. He runs so upright, he’s going to get lit up.”’

“There’s no reason I shouldn’t really like him, but I just don’t,” added another AFC personnel executive. “He’s not really shifty, but he gets yards. He’s fast, but it’s a long speed, and not really a quick speed. You want me to compare him to a black guy? How about T.J. Duckett(notes)? There’s a big, fast guy who hasn’t been productive in the NFL.”
I think he does compare much more to Duckett than Steven Jackson. Now Duckett did get drafted in the 1st but he has been considered a bust. Heck Duckett got drafted higher than Jackson did and never looked as good as Jackson.
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I think he does compare much more to Duckett than Steven Jackson. Now Duckett did get drafted in the 1st but he has been considered a bust. Heck Duckett got drafted higher than Jackson did and never looked as good as Jackson.
Well he did rack up yards and score TDs and I think that is special. We just might have enough ST players without Gerhart.
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i know it sounds stupid but overall production in college just doesn't mean a whole lot. it's HOW they got the production. just getting the ball dozens and dozens of times a game and on the goalline doesn't mean anything in the NFL, where he'll have to take on more duties to stay on a roster. Gerhart really doesn't look like anything that special, and saying he'd be a first rounder if he were black is silly; if anything, being white has helped him out tremendously because he would've just been another black RB otherwise, and certainly wouldn't have been a Heisman finalist
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Why are lines from The Jerk running through my head....
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Well he did rack up yards and score TDs and I think that is special. We just might have enough ST players without Gerhart.
Not concerned about ST. When I see highlight reels like - Link - I see a heavy runner primarily getting his big plays in a power blocking assigned hole scheme. Stanford's OL was pulling guards and creating giant holes. I think he needs to go to a team that is primarily power blocking. As the one guy above said, he has sufficient long speed but his initial burst is nothing to write home about. I just don't think he is particularly well suited to our system. The guys quoted above are also right that he gets straight up/head on hit way too much as well. When it is Pollard coming in to do that instead of some kid ending his football playing career at the college level things are going to look different.
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