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!! ITEAF !! · 03-06-2005

What's the deal with the front office? ONE free agent signing so far? I know we don't have cap issues, and there are the likes of Ty Law, Gary baxter, Troy Brown, David Patten, Ray Buchanan, Samari Rolle, LaMont Jordan. These guys could all help us a great deal. Am I missing something or is the front office just "loopy"?

ThaShark316 · 03-06-2005

Switch to decaf...and you'll be ok.

AndreJ · 03-06-2005

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Originally Posted by !! ITEAF !!

These guys could all help us a great deal. Am I missing something or is the front office just "loopy"?

You're missing something. You can't just go around signing a bunch of high paid FA's. We're not in cap trouble now, but we would be within the next two years and then we'd probably end up like San Francisco.

Not to mention we have made it clear that we wouldn't be big players in Free Agency and we will continue to build our team through the draft. Hence: Carr, AJ, Robinson, Babin and hopefully DJ next *Fingers Crossed*.

cptnbreakdance · 03-06-2005

repeat along with me...... Build through the Draft.......BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT.....................BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paragon Blue · 03-06-2005

half of those guys are gone. Have some faith dude.

Gilly · 03-06-2005

I feel you man.
One Off player will due, if not it is going to be a long season.

!! ITEAF !! · 03-06-2005

Not all but one maybe two that's all! I'm not giving up on my boys but if we don't do something in the FA market and try to go at it with unprooven rookies like Gilly says it's gonna be a long season!

Grid · 03-06-2005

unproven rookies is our forte.

we cant afford a bunch of offseason acquisitions

offseason isnt over, sharper is still up for trade, who knows what could happen there.

our FA needs are few... our draft needs are bigger.

Fiddy · 03-06-2005

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Originally Posted by cptnbreakdance

repeat along with me...... Build through the Draft.......BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT.....................BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen to that!!!

**texasguy346** · 03-06-2005

Ray Buchanon? No thanks on him. He's couldn't even play CB for the Raiders, and was used as a safety. Didn't he lose his spot to Stuart Schweigart the rookie out of Purdue?

Honoring Earl 34 · 03-06-2005

What was the best all time free agent signing ? I'm going with Reggie White Packers .

Fiddy · 03-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

What was the best all time free agent signing ? I'm going with Reggie White Packers .

I thought it was Charlie Clemons.

03-06-2005

Could have been Corey Dillon.

Look you can't just build through the draft, that is silly. You have to have a good mix of free agent pickups and luck in the draft. Casserly is showing his bluffs more and more by stating he won't be active too much in Free Agency, then boom he goes after Pat Williams, one of better FA's out there.

**TEXANS84** · 03-07-2005

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Originally Posted by texasguy346

Ray Buchanon? No thanks on him.

Correct 346.
He wasn't know as "Big Play Ray" because of his cover skills.

Pass.

bckey · 03-07-2005

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Originally Posted by cptnbreakdance

repeat along with me...... Build through the Draft.......BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT.....................BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is nice in theory but it is almost impossible in todays nfl. Free agency ruined the days of having players around for their entire careers. Nothing guarantees anyone will stay longer than their contract. The Texans haven't been around long enough to see any of our good draft picks sign elsewhere but it will happen. You have to use free agency. Every team. The problem is most teams end up over paying for players which is what we are trying not to do. We have some fat contracts on our roster and that is probably why Sharper and Foreman have been given permission to seek a trade. Walker, Glen, Wong, Wiegert, McKinney, Coleman, and Brown are some other fat contracts. There are some others but these are the ones that stick out when comparing production vs. salary.

dalemurphy · 03-07-2005

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Originally Posted by bckey

It is nice in theory but it is almost impossible in todays nfl. Free agency ruined the days of having players around for their entire careers. Nothing guarantees anyone will stay longer than their contract. The Texans haven't been around long enough to see any of our good draft picks sign elsewhere but it will happen. You have to use free agency. Every team. The problem is most teams end up over paying for players which is what we are trying not to do. We have some fat contracts on our roster and that is probably why Sharper and Foreman have been given permission to seek a trade. Walker, Glen, Wong, Wiegert, McKinney, Coleman, and Brown are some other fat contracts. There are some others but these are the ones that stick out when comparing production vs. salary.

Notice that all the "fat contracts" you listed are Free Agent contracts!! That's the point. With a salary cap, you can not build a team that way.

Tailgate · 03-07-2005

I could go for a little more Defensive Line help... preferribly with some 3-4 experience in case Payne or someone goes down. Just a touch of depth.

Then all we would really need to do is focus on OL, CB, and WR in the draft!

**ArlingtonTexan** · 03-07-2005

Most high dollars FA are like the one the Texans have Wade, Smith, McKinney,... ovepayments for average to good at best NFL talent. The core talent of the most successful teams is through the draft and low dollar FA. (see Eagles and Patriots)

When the more successful team goes after a high dollar, big name player it is to fill a specific role to get them further in the playoffs. In fact, the both Eagles and Patriots have probably let more players walk than they have signed.

nunusguy · 03-07-2005

Cass said we wouldn't do much in FA signings this year and so far he's been
true to his word.

TheOgre · 03-07-2005

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Originally Posted by SESupergenius

Could have been Corey Dillon.

I think Dillon was traded for a 2nd round pick.

03-06-2005	#1
!! ITEAF !! Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Age: 40 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Why Why Why?!?!?!?!?! What's the deal with the front office? ONE free agent signing so far? I know we don't have cap issues, and there are the likes of Ty Law, Gary baxter, Troy Brown, David Patten, Ray Buchanan, Samari Rolle, LaMont Jordan. These guys could all help us a great deal. Am I missing something or is the front office just "loopy"?

03-06-2005	#2
ThaShark316 #28 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Rosharon, TX Age: 27 Posts: 2,277 Rep Power: 8459	Switch to decaf...and you'll be ok. __________________ Trip to the New Meadowlands in 2014? I'm down. You'll get an ELITE QB when you apologize to Warren Moon, Houston

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cptnbreakdance Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 26 Posts: 120 Rep Power: 9	repeat along with me...... Build through the Draft.......BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT.....................BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ "Holy Cr@p! Did any one else feel that?!" - Peter Griffen

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Paragon Blue Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Corpus Christi Age: 34 Posts: 297 Rep Power: 9	half of those guys are gone. Have some faith dude.

03-06-2005	#6
Gilly Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 31 Posts: 34 Rep Power: 0	I feel you man. One Off player will due, if not it is going to be a long season.

03-06-2005	#8
Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	unproven rookies is our forte. we cant afford a bunch of offseason acquisitions offseason isnt over, sharper is still up for trade, who knows what could happen there. our FA needs are few... our draft needs are bigger.

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Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston Age: 50 Posts: 16,745 Rep Power: 35890	What was the best all time free agent signing ? I'm going with Reggie White Packers .

03-06-2005	#13
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	Could have been Corey Dillon. Look you can't just build through the draft, that is silly. You have to have a good mix of free agent pickups and luck in the draft. Casserly is showing his bluffs more and more by stating he won't be active too much in Free Agency, then boom he goes after Pat Williams, one of better FA's out there.

03-07-2005	#17
Tailgate Fall of Hame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston, TX - Born and raised Age: 35 Posts: 2,685 Rep Power: 8909	I could go for a little more Defensive Line help... preferribly with some 3-4 experience in case Payne or someone goes down. Just a touch of depth. Then all we would really need to do is focus on OL, CB, and WR in the draft!

03-07-2005	#18
ArlingtonTexan Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 5,260 Rep Power: 19464	Most high dollars FA are like the one the Texans have Wade, Smith, McKinney,... ovepayments for average to good at best NFL talent. The core talent of the most successful teams is through the draft and low dollar FA. (see Eagles and Patriots) When the more successful team goes after a high dollar, big name player it is to fill a specific role to get them further in the playoffs. In fact, the both Eagles and Patriots have probably let more players walk than they have signed.

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nunusguy Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 8,991 Rep Power: 183	Cass said we wouldn't do much in FA signings this year and so far he's been true to his word.

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