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Old 04-15-2010   #221
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Hookem and Hardcore (and anyone else interested in the relationship between blood pressure and alcohol intake), this LINK will summarize a significant portion of the relevant medical literature in fairly simple terms. It should answer many of your questions.
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Alcohol starves your body of oxygen, IIRC. It also dehydrates you. It causes things to happen with your blood vessels, too.

On Mythbusters, they sat in a walk-in freezer until they were extremely chilled. Then they drank Brandy, like what you did back in the old days when a St. Bernard would bring you that little alcohol in a wooden cask tied around his dog collar.

They had an instant sensation of warmth. The scientific explanation, if I am repeating this properly, is that it opened up the small blood vessels (the capillaries sp?) which is why your face becomes flushed with redness...but it re-directs some blood flow from your vital organs, and thusly onto your smaller blood vessels. In short: drinking alcohol when almost frostbitten is a way to give more blood flow to the fingers and skin, but it might cause damage to the vital organs.

I hope I am not completely wrong. It's what they said on Mythbusters, so it has to be accurate. Right? LOL.
Did you ever wonder, why insulated hunting vests were sleeveless?? Well, when it is freezing cold, the body tries to conserve heat by restricting the blood flow to the areas most externalized, i.e., the extremities (arms and legs). This is a protective reflex that the body accomplishes by constricting the extremity blood vessels, and thus detours the blood to circulate where it's warmest, internally, to preserve the body's heat. The preserved heat then confines itself to recirculating within the warmest core of the body. It basically shuts off the tendency to loose heat by stopping the convection-like transfer of the cold environment to the blood.

A person that drinks alcohol "to stay warm" in such a freezing cold scenario, indeed, feels the flush of warmth, as you explained by the dilation of ALL of the blood vessels in the body, including the extremity vessels that would normally reflexly constrict to preserve body warmth. It essentially over-rides the protective heat-loss preservative mechanism...........and, the happless person actually unwittingly contributes to his own hastened demise.

Hope that makes sense.
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Did you ever wonder, why insulated hunting vests were sleeveless?? Well, when it is freezing cold, the body tries to conserve heat by restricting the blood flow to the areas most externalized, i.e., the extremities (arms and legs). This is a protective reflex that the body accomplishes by constricting the extremity blood vessels, and thus detours the blood to circulate where it's warmest, internally, to preserve the body's heat. The preserved heat then confines itself to recirculating within the warmest core of the body. It basically shuts off the tendency to loose heat by stopping the convection-like transfer of the cold environment to the blood.

A person that drinks alcohol "to stay warm" in such a freezing cold scenario, indeed, feels the flush of warmth, as you explained by the dilation of ALL of the blood vessels in the body, including the extremity vessels that would normally reflexly constrict to preserve body warmth. It essentially over-rides the protective heat-loss preservative mechanism...........and, the happless person actually unwittingly contributes to his own hastened demise.

Hope that makes sense.
So... a St. Benard coming to my rescue isn't necessarily a good thing?
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Hookem and Hardcore (and anyone else interested in the relationship between blood pressure and alcohol intake), this LINK will summarize a significant portion of the relevant medical literature in fairly simple terms. It should answer many of your questions.

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Chronic (regular) alcohol consumption can lead to high blood pressure/hypertension. In fact, it is the third largest cause of high blood pressure, even more than smoking!
{“What are some of the impacts of alcohol on society?” www.fact-index.com, 2004}

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Hypertension increases the risk and severity of impotence.
{Journal of Urology, Oct. 2000, in Washington Post Health, Oct. 10, 2000}


But back to being serious, that is a lot of good info CND and some I didn't want to hear like moderate consumption can still jack you up, thanks for the link.
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So... a St. Benard coming to my rescue isn't necessarily a good thing?
Depends if he is well-fed or not. You can get 10 good meals if he's full grown! mmmmmm
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The saga continues. This morning, due to Joe's scheduled 1st phase stress test, his morning blood pressure med was delayed, resulting in an acute pressure spike to ~180/100. Understandably, that didn't help his headache any. Subsequently, during the day, he had a couple of readings around 145-150. Just a while ago, he returned from the 2nd phase stress test. Results will not be formally be interpretted until tomorrow. There is also a possible groin local bleed that occured during his spikes. This is at the previous site of insertion of the line used to perform the angiogram. This may require, prior to discharge, a minor procedure to repair the "leak." Obviously, more time is needed to fully control Joe's blood pressure. Meanwhile, after his long day, he is now sleeping.
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Thanks for the update! Will continue the prayers for Joe and his family. Is this somewhat unusual? An effect of having high blood pressure for to long? I have not heard of this happening before, even though I know quite of people that have had angiograms and stent implants.
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I'll be happy to take all you guys BP, but, not after a night out with Bill and Hobie!!
Yeah, the last time that happened they were flying and VY had to hide his sausage.

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Thanks for the update! Will continue the prayers for Joe and his family. Is this somewhat unusual? An effect of having high blood pressure for to long? I have not heard of this happening before, even though I know quite of people that have had angiograms and stent implants.
I think, going by the link CND provided above, that hypertension in general can be BIG contributing factor to strokes and cardiovasculuar disease. The more prolonged, the higher the risk I believe......at least from what I have read and recall.


Thanks for the updates! Keep progressing Joe!
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Yeah, the last time that happened they were flying and VY had to hide his sausage.

That is Hilarious! Rep
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Thanks for the update! Will continue the prayers for Joe and his family. Is this somewhat unusual? An effect of having high blood pressure for to long? I have not heard of this happening before, even though I know quite of people that have had angiograms and stent implants.
When angiograms or other arteriograms are performed or stents are placed, it requires an entry puncture of a large artery. It takes a certain amount of time to securely self-seal. If during that time, there is a spike in blood pressure, it can break the weak seal, and blood will escape creating a blood pocket around the artery. Sometimes the pocket needsto be drained, and sometimes, the puncture wound requires formal suture repair to try to avoid a rebleed. Unfortunately, this problem is not that unusual if the blood pressure significantly spikes close to the time of the procedure.
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When angiograms or other arteriograms are performed or stents are placed, it requires an entry puncture of a large artery. It takes a certain amount of time to securely self-seal. If during that time, there is a spike in blood pressure, it can break the weak seal, and blood will escape creating a blood pocket around the artery. Sometimes the pocket needsto be drained, and sometimes, the puncture wound requires formal suture repair to try to avoid a rebleed. Unfortunately, this problem is not that unusual if the blood pressure significantly spikes close to the time of the procedure.
Ok, I can understand this. Does this happen frequently? It sems awfully scary to me.
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I'll be happy to take all you guys BP, but, not after a night out with Bill and Hobie!!
That's when I'm at best.... 172/111. That's awesome!

Actually Gma, I check myself every Saturday at my grocery store. I've gotten the BP down to (on average) 117/77... The lost 40+/- lbs. have helped.
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When angiograms or other arteriograms are performed or stents are placed, it requires an entry puncture of a large artery. It takes a certain amount of time to securely self-seal. If during that time, there is a spike in blood pressure, it can break the weak seal, and blood will escape creating a blood pocket around the artery. Sometimes the pocket needsto be drained, and sometimes, the puncture wound requires formal suture repair to try to avoid a rebleed. Unfortunately, this problem is not that unusual if the blood pressure significantly spikes close to the time of the procedure.
I lived this a few years ago with my mother. Not many people here knew, cause I kept it relatively quiet.
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I lived this a few years ago with my mother. Not many people here knew, cause I kept it relatively quiet.
I feel for ya! How did you cope?

I always tend to freak out and assume it is worse than it really is.
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I always tend to freak out and assume it is worse than it really is.
My advice to myself was to start drinking heavily...
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Ok, I can understand this. Does this happen frequently? It sems awfully scary to me.
It can be reported anywhere from 2-5% of these type of procedures.
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My advice to you is fire your doctor.
You're FIRED!!!! J/K

Okay, so trying to set my broken hand - myself didn't work out so well.... I fire me.
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