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Old 06-06-2005   #161
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My prediction: Ragone to the Ravens after Boller costs them the shot at a Superbowl they otherwise really ought to have this year.
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Old 06-06-2005   #162
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-- Ragone Excelling in Europe --
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The Houston Chronicle reports Texans QB Dave Ragone, 25, is the highest-rated passer in NFL Europe with a rating of 97.1, 15 points higher than the closest competitor. He also leads the league in passing yards (1,698), touchdown passes (13) and completion percentage (62.9). Ragone has thrown just two interceptions in a league-high 178 pass attempts and has a streak of 131 passes without a pick. Ragone needs to extend his streak by 25 passes to tie QB Ron Powlus' five-year-old league record. Ragone will get his chance June 11 in the World Bowl, where his Berlin Thunder will play for the league championship.
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My prediction: Ragone to the Ravens after Boller costs them the shot at a Superbowl they otherwise really ought to have this year.
I can see him going somewhere like Miami or Cleveland that doesn't have a very good starter at QB, or maybe even a team like Tennessee, Arizona, Kansas City, or even Oakland that have older guys and might need a good starter in a year or two. Of course there is also a chance of him going to compete for the starting job with a team like Detroit that has a young guy that isn't living up to the hype.
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Old 06-08-2005   #164
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We obviously need a good backup considering our potential weekness at left tackle DC could spend some time on the sidelines this year. Besides... We could ship Banks off and keep Ragone. Look at David Garard at Jacksonville. He is an excellent backup... I have to look at the number on his jersy to know that it's him inthe game and not leftwich. I say... keep Ragone and ditch Banks.
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When Ragone hits FA he will be gone. He does not plan to stay a 2nd string player for the duration of his career. If the Texans don't trade him, then they will have developed a QB and got nothing in return other than a 3rd string QB for a few years. If Ragone lights up the opposition in the World Bowl and does well in preseason, then there is a chance he is traded early int he season. Personally, I would not mind trading him to GB for Bubba Franks, but they picked Alex Smith. Can anybody think of a feasible trade for a TE/LT that is worth trading away Ragone?
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When Ragone hits FA he will be gone. He does not plan to stay a 2nd string player for the duration of his career. If the Texans don't trade him, then they will have developed a QB and got nothing in return other than a 3rd string QB for a few years. If Ragone lights up the opposition in the World Bowl and does well in preseason, then there is a chance he is traded early int he season. Personally, I would not mind trading him to GB for Bubba Franks, but they picked Alex Smith. Can anybody think of a feasible trade for a TE/LT that is worth trading away Ragone?
We should certainly keep him this year. He could be valuable for us. Also, if he does get playing time and does well then his stock goes up. He'll be a RFA after this season. Surely the way things look we can offer him at least a moderate tender, maybe even the top tender. Then we'll either keep him or receive a good pick in return.
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I will pose a couple scenarios.

1. Ragone starts a couple games this year and plays well. The Texans offer him the top tender and trade him for a 2nd or 1st.
2. Ragone starts a couple games and plays poorly or gets hurt. The Texans offer him the mid or low tender. The Texans get less than they hoped.
(Risk and return are both greater)
3. The Texans trade Ragone for a pick or a player before the season starts.
(They reduce the risk with a tradeoff for value by either getting an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick or equivalent player to fill a spot)

I would be satisified with a 2nd if it were offered right away, but if all we could get is a 3rd before the season, then I would wait and see. Of course, CC is liable to surprise us all.
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1. Ragone starts a couple games this year and plays well. The Texans offer him the top tender and trade him for a 2nd or 1st.
A mid tender carries 1st round compensation so if you are only hoping at most to get a 1st for him there is no point in offering more than a mid tender.
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You don't trade him. You keep him that is what he is here for. You don't trade until you have someone who is at least as good to take his place. That is what you do with backup QB's. You might trade Banks or even cut Banks but you keep Ragone until you have someone who is better and younger. JMHO
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Ragone got the Offensive MVP award for NFLE.

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Fellow Texan DE Greg White made the All-NFL Europe League Team.
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Just wondering, do you think David Carr should be scrared of Dave Ragone?
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Just wondering, do you think David Carr should be scrared of Dave Ragone?
Haha. Good question. But seriously, he has nothing to worry about. Carr is the face, and leader of the houston texans franchise. Seriously, he has nothing to worry about.

Joey on the other hand, might want to look over his shoulder from time to time for Garcia.
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Just wondering, do you think David Carr should be scrared of Dave Ragone?
David doesn't really have much to be worried about when it comes to Ragone. If he becomes a starter in the NFL it will likely be with another team whether it be via trade or free agency.
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Old 06-09-2005   #174
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He will, and it will be via trade. Finding a quarterback who can start other than by developing your own is extremely difficult. When you can do so, it's an older FA from whom you can hope for a couple of seasons at best. When an exception comes up, which is what Ragone will be, it will be very hard for teams with a hole at the position to resist. I do not for the life of me understand why Garrard signed an extension in Jacksonville. The choice (for us) is simple one more year of good back-up play at QB, or a first-day pick (probably at least a high second). Which would you rather have?
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The Patriots had the same scenario with this QB out of Europe (MVP)
last year, but seem content on keeping him at NO 2--should be interesting
to see what each team does with their back up...
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I think the difference is probably in the attitude of the players: Ragone really wants to start somewhere; Davies may be happier to sit. If Ragone wants out and someone's willing to give him a crack at starting (which I think they will) he'll be gone.
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DUESSELDORF, Germany (AP) - Dave Ragone is exactly the kind of player NFL teams want to see proving themselves in NFL Europe.

After being taken in the third round of the 2002 draft, the Louisville quarterback spent two years struggling behind David Carr on the Houston Texans' scout teams, where his passes were often intercepted.
Ragone has changed his image since the Texans allocated him to the Berlin Thunder. He threw just two interceptions in 251 pass attempts this season and his 97.5 passer rating was best in the league.

"I don't know where he got the rap he isn't accurate. He's just a very good quarterback and I say that as someone who coached that position in the NFL," said Amsterdam Admirals coach Bart Andrus.

Andrus, who used to be the QBs coach for the Tennessee Titans, will coach his team against Ragone and the Thunder in Saturday's World Bowl.

Ragone, voted the league's best offensive player, won't be the only one on the field Saturday with a shot of making an NFL roster next season. The league's graduates include Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner, La'Roi Glover and Dante Hall although the percentage of NFL Europe players who have made it big in the NFL is relatively low.

Texans' general manager Charley Casserly pushed Ragone to Berlin coach Rick Lantz.

"Sure some things are different, but they get to see them in 10 games, they get to see them in pressure situations," Lantz said.


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is there only 4 teams in NFL Europe or something ? I sure thought it was bigger than that !

Hey Greetings from Europe..!

Okay we got 6 Teams at the NFLE

- Hamburg Seadevils
- Berlin Thunder
- Amsterdam Admirals
- Rhein Fire
- Cologne Centurions
- Frankfurt Galaxy

And if ya wanna see some pic's from da Season at Cologne check ma Link...


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this is looking pretty ugly for dave. havent really got anything going and his guys are dropping some balls.

kittner might have the lead and made some plays right now but its looking like his receivers are the ones making the plays. he looks like the passes are bad decisions but his receiver gets it
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