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Old 03-31-2005   #41
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Little disappointed Symons couldn't at least get 2nd string.
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Little disappointed Symons couldn't at least get 2nd string.
not really surpising since he missed most of camp
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NFL.com's Mike Carlson:

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Why it will win: Potentially the league's best QB"

how kind...

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Why do we continue to draft QBs? look at Philly and Miami. AJ Feeley.. young, talented backup QB that go traded to Miami for a second rounder.


Not only does having these young guys around provide us with some lasting depth.. but it also is possible trade bait for the future.
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Ha, good one! AJ Feeley, "talented." April Fool's, right?

Just kidding...I think the guy MAY turn into an average NFL starter someday, but not next year or the year after that. He has absolutely NO offensive line to help him in the near term, and nobody to run the ball--pending the outcome of the draft, of course. Let's face it...if you're in danger of losing your starting job to Gus "Headbutt" Frerotte, you're not good.

Back to the topic. I agree that keeping a stock of young QBs around is smart. They can indeed be valuable, either on the field or as options for trading...and they don't hurt you nearly as much cap-wise as some of these retread veteran QBs who can be just as iffy. I have the TiVo programmed for Berlin's games and I'll watch with interest to see exactly what we have with Rags. Bummer that Symons won't see the same playing time.
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Ragone off to a good start. 49 yard pass to start the game.

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Here is sideline's update from the 1st half of Ragone's start over on texanstalk:

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Just thoght i would let you guys know, unless you are watching, the first half has just finished between the Berlin Thunder and the Frankfurt Galaxy and Dave Ragone is playing Very very well, looking poised, making good decisions and throwing accurate passes including a Touchdown. The Thunder have scored on all three of the possesions that Ragone has been in the game.

I will be doing a full review of the game on Ragone and Co on my website probably later tonight. But if he continues the way he has started things look great.
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Currently in the 3rd quarter, Ragone 14-21 for 150 yards and a touchdown.

Berlin leads Akili Smith's Frankfurt Galaxy 20-0.

Berlin has 303 yards of offense, to Frankfurt's 39!
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I tried to get the Game Stats to come up off of that page and it would never load. Anyone else have this problem?

Good to hear that Ragone is doing good and Akili is doing bad, Symons may get his shot.
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I couldn't get the gamestats to load either
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I tried to get the Game Stats to come up off of that page and it would never load. Anyone else have this problem?

Good to hear that Ragone is doing good and Akili is doing bad, Symons may get his shot.
Nope, its rockin' for me.

Ragone update:

16/23 179 yards 1 touchdown.
Berlin leads 30-7 with 5:00 left in the 4th quarter.
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Old 04-02-2005   #52
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Oh I can already see the trade Carr, start Ragone threads.
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Im seeing dollar signs .. I can see the trade Ragone get a first rounder in 2006 threads hehe.


1st rounder.. not likely.. maybe a 2nd if he really does good.
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I just finished watching the game. (boy, is this ever a league made for TiVo...thank goodness for fast forward!!) I was impressed with much of Ragone's overall game. He was unquestionably the best of the 4 QBs who saw action. (Side note: that QB Eakin from the Jets is atrocious. WOW. Akili can sleep soundly at night if THAT's the threat to his starting job!)

Rags' first throw will get all the attention, and it was very nice. He looks slow moving out of the pocket, laser-locks onto many of his receivers, but has great knowledge of where the defenders are when he's scrambling. Tough, too. Threw behind a receiver on a very easy dump pass, but the guy still caught it. He seemed to understand his offense MUCH better than any of the other QBs, although I think the light was flickering back on for Akili late in the 4th. (Unfortunately for him, Frankfurt is a seriously bad football team. Bad WRs, little O-line, absolutely nothing doing in the backfield.)

He finished with a 107 rating. Nice day. Considering the weak opposition, I think he gets a B+.

Another totally unrelated comment: I realize this is minor league football (I was, after all, a season ticketholder for one of the American teams before the WLAF became NFLE), but is it too much to ask that the NFL get a coverage crew over there that can work cameras, do graphics, and direct broadcasts? That looked like "Wayne's World" over there! It's Berlin, for crying out loud, not Somalia. SOMEBODY over there has televised sports before!
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Interesting motivational quote for Ragone here from an NFL.com article:

Many of the scouts thought Berlin's Dave Ragone (Houston) the league's best, though his scrimmages also were uneven. He's a big, strong gamer whose passes sometimes go awry...according to Texans director of pro scouting Chuck Banker: "He hasn't played quality minutes in a long time, and needs the reps," Banker said. "A good performance would solidify him as our No. 2."

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I just finished watching the game.

What channel was the game on? I couldn't find it anywhere
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Looks like Ragone dominated. 16 for 23 with 179 yards and a TD with no INT's. Akili Smith was 6 for 11 for 68 yards.

Berlin Thunder
PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT
D.Ragone 23 16 179 1/9 1 48 0 107.0
C.Finlen 7 4 36 0/0 0 25 1 31.5

Total 30 20 215 1/9 1 48 1 84.7

Frankfurt Galaxy
PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT
A.Smith 11 6 68 0/0 1 34 1 65.7
K.Eakin 10 2 24 0/0 0 16 0 39.6

Total 21 8 92 0/0 1 34 1 48.1


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The Berlin Thunder opened the defense of their World Bowl title with a 30-7 victory over the Frankfurt Galaxy, the team that they defeated in Düsseldorf in 2004 to take the championship.

Rick Lantz’s team had a familiar look to it, mixing a tough ground game and opportunistic passing game on offense, and showing good toughness on defense, holding the Galaxy to just 120 yards of total offense and winning the time of possession battle by 45 minutes to 15 for Frankfurt.

Berlin starting quarterback Dave Ragone outduelled former third overall draft pick, Akili Smith, throwing for 179 yards and a score from 16 completions, compared to Smith’s 6 of 11 for 68 yard effort. Berlin’s running backs combined for over 200 yards, with Little John Flowers scoring two touchdowns.

Frankfurt only avoided being shut out when they scored a touchdown with ten minutes remaining in the game.

The Galaxy won the toss and opened the new season with the ball, but soon had to punt. Starting from their own 29-yard line, Frankfurt earned a first a first down when Akili Smith hit tight end Mark Anelli, but started heading in the wrong direction two plays later when an attempted reverse from running back Ahmaad Galloway to receiver Sam Simmons was fumbled and recovered for a 9-yard loss by Smith.

Berlin’s first offensive play harkened back to their World Bowl XII winning gameplan, as Dave Ragone looked deep and hit Michael Jennings for a 48-yard gain to the Frankfurt 37-yard line. Starting running back Cal Murray’s two carries for 10 yards helped the Thunder pick up another first down, before Ragone looked to Jennings again in the endzone. The pass was fractionally long, and although the receiver managed to make the catch, it was out of bounds. A crucial sack by Derrick Crawford on third down meant that Berlin was forced to attempt a 46-yard field goal, which Kevin Miller converted to open the scoring.

The Thunder got back on the scoreboard on their next possession after holding Frankfurt to three and out. Ragone’s 14-yard run on third down took the ball to the Galaxy’s 15-yard line, and a 12-yard toss to tight end Ben Moa on the next play set them up at the Frankfurt 3 as the first quarter came to a close. It was 10-0 on the first play of the second quarter, when Little John Flowers’ 3-yard touchdown run rounded out the 11-play, 54-yard drive.

Kevin Eakin came in at quarterback for Frankfurt to open the second quarter, but his presence was unable to spark the Galaxy offense to life, as the Thunder once again held them to just three plays before Mike Barr was called in to punt the ball away.

Berlin made a switch of their own at quarterback, with Chris Finlen replacing the successful Ragone, and the New Orleans Saints allocated passer made an immediate impact with his arm and legs, scrambling for an 8-yard gain and then converting the first down with a 4-yard pass to fullback Brian Johnson. Four plays later Johnson made what looked like a crucial play, taking the snap when the team was lined up to punt and running 34 yards through the Galaxy special teams and forcing punt returner Sam Simmons to make the tackle at the 23-yard line. However, Finlen’s screen pass was picked off by defensive end Seante Williams, ending a promising Berlin drive.

The Thunder defense had a chance to make immediate amends, with a tipped pass falling agonizingly short of the diving Jermaine Mays, but they once again forced the Galaxy to bring Barr onto the field to punt with five minutes remaining in the quarter. With Ragone back behind center the Thunder continued to move the ball well, the passer once again showing his poise under pressure as he threw a 19-yard dart to Aaron Boone over the middle of the field on third-and-18. Another big play by fullback Johnson got the Thunder inside field goal range when he turned a short pass by Ragone into a 23-yard gain as the two-minute warning was sounded at the end of the half. Michael Jennings’ 11-yard and 5-yard catches sandwiched a 7-yard run by Flowers, taking the ball to the Frankfurt 10-yard line. From there Ragone went to Jennings in the endzone again and this time the New York Giants allocated receiver came down in bounds with the ball, handing Berlin a 17-0 half-time advantage.
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i'm glad to hear about ragone's success...but i'm not for trading him just yet...with banks only being here for two years i like to think we could keep ragone for awhile has is back-up but if someone is willing to throw a second or a first round pick our way for him why not...he's a great kid and deserves the best chance to start for a team...right now i think arizona, miami, san fran, and denver should really look at him...cause warner is past his prime, miami has nobody, either does san fran, and plummer is very questionable at times...i guess new orleans should be thrown in there as well with brooks backwards pass last season...haha....ragone is a solid qb once he gets quality reps in
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If someone offers a second or better for him.. I think we should take it.

We can get more talent to play depth behind Carr.. and we can always pick somebody else up to fill in.

Just keep drafting young QBs with potential.. keep molding them into NFL quality players.. and keep selling em for a profit . Its a good, cheap way to get extra draft picks... and provide depth at QB.

Besides.. I think if a good offer is made... we would be jerks to hold onto him and make him sit on the bench when we could have made a profit and given him a chance to start somewhere else (long as it isnt a division rival anyway)
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