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Old 03-25-2010   #1
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Default Second Edition: badboy, beerlover, rmartin65 Texans Mock

After seeing how well our last mock was received, we decided to create another one. This took just as long as our last effort, and we are all very pleased with its outcome. We limited ourselves to a couple of rules. One being we had to pick players we think the Texans would pick (Character, Position Need, etc), the other being no trades (although we did come up with a couple interesting scenarios, which I am sure one of the other two will post).

Then without further ado, here it is:

*Round 1: Texas FS Earl Thomas, 5’10” 208 lbs

Red-shirt sophomore entry. Playmaker with above average ball skills. Smooth, fluid in breaks, good hip flip, functional strength with strong core power. instinctive reads, quick to recognize & provides good run support w/ability to improve technique. Lacks second gear but has game speed & takes good angles, aggressive, competitive has CB experience for added value. Ran a 4.4 forty @ combine & repped out 21 times on bench press (225). Led the nation with 24 pass break-ups (WOW) & 2nd in nation with eight INT's returning two for TD's also 65 tackles, 143 since 08.


Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’ 231 lbs

Sticking with our original 2nd rd. pick Toby is the complete power package out of the backfield, can convert critical short yardage situations, red zone scoring machine led the nation with 29 TD's (yeah baby). Demonstrates great balance, one-cut downhill pile driver with great vision & intellgence then finishes always going forward for extra yards. Will take a pounding but has ability to absorb contact, strong leg drive, deliberate downfield then flashes suddenness to avoid tackles. Dangerous option for Texans in screen packages. Work ethic/character not in question. Finished 2nd in the nation running only to Ryan Mathews with 143.92 yds. per game amassing 1871 yards on 343 carries for a 5.45 avg. per carry. Combine ran 4.53 38" vert 4.25 shuttle & 22 reps.

Round 3: Indiana (PA) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, 6’ 207 lbs

Here we again turn to the secondary. With the departure of Dunta Robinson, the Texans need another upper tier corner. The team cannot rely on the likes of Reeves, Quinn, and McCain to shut down the pass happy attacks that are so popular in the NFL, especially in the same division as the Colts. Owusu-Ansah has number one corner potential. He is a bigger corner, yet as fast and nimble as those smaller corners. He falls because he played D2 ball, hence his technique will need some work. He gets by on athleticism a lot, something that wont always work at the next level. Owusu-Ansah is the definition of ballhawk, 10 career interceptions, 8 as a junior and 2 as a senior (a late bloomer). He is also a very dangerous man with the ball in his hands, as evident by his 9 TDs (7 on special teams). Owusu-Ansah will be a “diamond in the rough that takes very little polishing”, and could be the first true shutdown corner in Texans history.


Round 4: Georgia DT Jeff Owens, 6’1” 304 lbs


Owens is the type of player that does not stand out during the game, unless you truly focus on him. Nor does he fill up the stat sheet. What he does do is make everyone else on the defense better. Jeff Owens is an incredibly strong player, both in the weight room, and on the field. He couples that strength with his leverage to dominate multiple blockers along the line of scrimmage. However, he is not a Mt. Cody type player, a ball of fat that has little to no impact behind the line of scrimmage. Owens is athletic enough to push the pocket, making it nearly impossible for the QB to step up and deliver the ball. A player like Owens is ideal for the Texans, as he will occupy blockers, letting the underachieving Okoye have a one-on-one matchup. The Texans also run a rotational defensive line, another plus for drafting Owens. It looks like Owens runs out of steam at times; he will need to be spelled occasionally.

Round 5: Notre Dame OC/OG Eric Olsen, 6’4” 306 lbs

Solidify interior OL needs along with free agent aquistion Wade Smith. Texans could also look at a swing tackle to develop later behind Butler but for now we focus on interior specific upgrading the Center position long term. Currently the Texans have a group of depth players who fill a starting roster spot. Olsen upgrades starting talent moving forward, has leadership qualities you look for in position & fits the clubhouse mentality/good teammate. Olsen provides upgrade talent wise & good fit personality & clubhouse wise. Nasty combo with LG Studdard & Caldwell RG. Quick, powerful pop, ability to anchor, tough & plays to the whistle. Known for punch thrown by Michigan LB Jonas Mouton (later suspended). Eric was part of Jimmy Clausen success & Notre Dame ranked 5th in the nation passing 323.3 yds. per game.

Round 6A: Wayne State RB Joique Bell, 5’11” 220 lbs

It is the “Year of the Runningback”, and the Texans should take advantage of it. If we draft Gerhart to be the power/short yardage back, then we should also draft a powerful backup to be protected against injuries. Bell is a very powerful back that dominated the D2 level, and was flying up the draft boards until the combine. His pedestrian 40 time coupled with his D2 past will knock him down the draft boards. However, the other teams’ loss is the Texans gain. Bell looks the part of an NFL back; a well developed, muscular upper body, and tree trunks for legs. One of his best assets is his patience, a great quality for a ZBS back to possess. He knows how to wait for the hole to develop, and has enough burst to hit it when available. He also has the LT-like quality to score TDs in short yardage, whether it is powering through on the ground or leaping over the pile. With Bell and Gerhart, the RB situation would look like this: Gerhart, Slaton, Foster, and Bell.

Round 6B: LSU KR Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 166 lbs

Another repeat from our earlier mock, Holliday has done nothing to dispel our belief in him. He is a lightning fast player, running an official time of 4.34, but several stopwatches had him below Chris Johnson’s magic mark of 4.24. In addition to blazing straight line speed, Holliday possesses excellent change of direction ability. He is very hard to tackle despite his size, as he can be hard to spot, and hard to get good body positioning on. One of Holliday’s best attributes is his “feel” for the kick return game. He knows how to find the crease and go. He could do a better job using his blockers though. Holliday should get a handful of plays on offense, due to his incredible speed. The occasional screen or vertical route would keep the opposing defense honest. In addition, Holliday would make for an excellent decoy. He has good enough hands to make him a legitimate receiving threat. He is not a track guy playing football; he does not shy away from contact.


Round 7: Florida Atlantic QB Rusty Smith, 6’5” 224 lbs


With the departure of Grossman, we decided that another QB was in the cards for the Texans. We wanted a player with the physical talent that just needed to be groomed by a QB guru (Kubiak). Rusty Smith is that guy. He has prototypical height, and has the frame to add another 10-15 pounds. Smith is a very intelligent player, something we all know Kubiak requires from his Qbs. The big problem with Smith (besides the shoulder injury that ended his senior season, dropping him from a 4th/5th round prospect to a 7th/UDFA) is his throwing motion. It is not pretty. Smith’s motion needs to be shortened considerably, and his release point needs to be higher. Despite that, Smith is a very accurate passer, both sitting in the pocket and on the move. He has adequate arm strength, not cannon, but good enough to make all the required throws. And maybe with some mechanics work, he could gain a bit of strength. Rusty Smith is an ideal QB for Kubiak to groom for the future.

*We had a very heavy debate deciding between Mathews and Thomas, and concluded that both would be good picks, but Thomas would be better value. We have a write-up of Mathews because of the very real possibility that the Texans draft him. Obviously, this would change the rest of the picks in the draft.

Round 1: Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews, 6’ 218 lbs

ZBS one-cut downhill RB Texans need. workhorse characteristic tough minded & physically strong. Great balance, good long speed & vision. Hands seem alright should increase exposure receive, Texans also can use Slaton to complement. Not explosive as much as good burst, very fluid change in direction. Combine ran 40-yard dash 4.45 followed up at his Pro-day 4.46 & 4.48 very consistent. Also improved his short shuttle from 4.33 to 4.10 36" & 34" vertical 19 reps. In College he led the nation running 150.67 yards per game, 6.55 avg. per carry, 1808 yards & 19 TD's.

I want to thank beerlover and badboy, for all the time that they put in on this mock. It was a long process, and I am sure we all got fed up once in a a while at something. I also want to thank the administrators and the people who keep this site going, it is great to have a place to talk Texans. And last but not least, I want to thank all of you who read this.
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Running back & secondary heavy, infused with some trench nasties. later rd. developmental prospects for depth QB/WR/KR/RB. Kicker will be addressed with undrafted player yet to be determined (Gary Kubiak said he'll have competition for kicker Kris Brown beginning with the OTAs).

Evolution of a first pick:

Mock Drafting is a very fluid process which changes daily. After being the first around over one month ago to isolate & identify Kyle Wilson not only a first round prospect but an excellent fit in Houston. His ascension raised concerns of his availability. Not long after Ryan Mathews became our target, at the time considered early second. since combine his stock has skyrocketed. perfect fit to improve Kubiak/Dennison running game & vacancy left via Slaton's neck/spine injury. Now graded by some a top 10 talent, if you look at the RB prospects over last several years he measures up with the best (only AD higher grade, ok Reggie Bush too) now the only reason he could be on the board when the Texans select is quality depth of prospects (underclassman) or team needs. This rotation took us back to the beginning, a prospect who we projected early on, off the board long before the Texans pick, Earl Thomas. He is the ideal selection for the Texans giving Frank Bush an elite FS player to roam his defense. Funny @ the end of the day it could be Kyle & Ryan who push him down the Gulf Coast


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I'd come away really happy with this draft...

I guess the small school corner prospect is a little bit of a redlight but I think some of our previous negative experience with it, is more about injury than ability.
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Nice work guys. Only a couple nit kind of comments. I'm dubious about the Texans taking two RBs well at all but particularly two at 220+ lbs. Also I don't understand the urge to take a developmental QB. We have one or arguably two now. This system takes time to learn and you lose all of that if you replace them each year - plus you aren't really developing anything you are just rotating. I'd take a flyer on some raw CB, S or WR probably - at least get some special teams play out of them.
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I'd come away really happy with this draft...

I guess the small school corner prospect is a little bit of a redlight but I think some of our previous negative experience with it, is more about injury than ability.
I am an Ansah believer and it was a pleasure to see him move up the boards as did our earlier fave Kyle Wilson. In fact I am working on a scenario involving maybe two trade downs in first and ending with Wilson. Back to Owusu-Ansah, believe me the three of us had many hours of discussion tearing each of our 8 picks apart. Yes, Ansah is from small school as was Joique Bell two of my early players to focus on. We decided their stats, skills and upside + other people's opinions made them worthy of our board. Please remember that Ansah must beat out Reeves or Quin (I think ultimately it will be Ansah and Quin). Then to support our rookie, we have Thomas as our FS. The fact that Earl can play CB and Ansah did play both CB and FS aided our decision on these two players.
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Nice work guys. Only a couple nit kind of comments. I'm dubious about the Texans taking two RBs well at all but particularly two at 220+ lbs. Also I don't understand the urge to take a developmental QB. We have one or arguably two now. This system takes time to learn and you lose all of that if you replace them each year - plus you aren't really developing anything you are just rotating. I'd take a flyer on some raw CB, S or WR probably - at least get some special teams play out of them.
Good points and we debated that. You would not believe the number of mock changes we made in just the last week. I had offered a CB in 6th Crezdon Butler, so we did understand the suggestions you make.

RB: we did have Mathews in first for a long time but that eliminated Thomas and we did several combos with Mathews & then FS later such as Nate Allen but he moved up out of our reach in 2nd. Gerhart was 65's guy & he told me as I was supporting Dwyer during the season. TG just flat blew me away. If one has not watched Gerhart it is hard to understand why we are so pumped. We went with two backs as it is a "priority" need that if successfully filled dynamically changes the entire team's productivity. We hope Slaton returns not only healthy but in 2008 form. Due to our optimism we eventually ignored drafting a Slaton type as insurance. We looked at Arian Foster and like him but again is NFL resume is minimal. We see TG, SLaton, Foster and Bell as the roster. We like Moats but he is odd man out.
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Good work guys, can clearly see the effort and time y'all put into it. Rep to all!
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Nice work guys. Only a couple nit kind of comments. I'm dubious about the Texans taking two RBs well at all but particularly two at 220+ lbs. Also I don't understand the urge to take a developmental QB. We have one or arguably two now. This system takes time to learn and you lose all of that if you replace them each year - plus you aren't really developing anything you are just rotating. I'd take a flyer on some raw CB, S or WR probably - at least get some special teams play out of them.
Gerhart does not run like he is 230 lbs, from a speed standpoint. He ran times comparable to many of the top backs from last year. Equal to Moreno and McCoy, faster than Greene and Coffee (both of whom the Texans reportedly had interest in). Bell was just a value pick there. He was so dominate at his level, he was worth a late round flyer.

None of us are sold on Dan O, which is the explanation for Smith. Kubiak took a chance on Brink a few years ago, and he is not panning out. Smith becomes Kubiak's project.

As far as drafting special teamers, we did pounce that idea around for a while. The guy we targeted though was recently caught with marijuana, and we figured the Texans would not take the risk.
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None of us are sold on Dan O, which is the explanation for Smith. Kubiak took a chance on Brink a few years ago, and he is not panning out. Smith becomes Kubiak's project.

As far as drafting special teamers, we did pounce that idea around for a while. The guy we targeted though was recently caught with marijuana, and we figured the Texans would not take the risk.
My comment wasn't so much aimed at Dan O and I don't think that should be the focus. They have John David Booty a 5th round draft pick. Why boot him for a 7th round QB and start the development over again instead of taking a flyer trying to find a Zach Diles? But not to beat a 7th round draft pick into the ground.
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My comment wasn't so much aimed at Dan O and I don't think that should be the focus. They have John David Booty a 5th round draft pick. Why boot him for a 7th round QB and start the development over again instead of taking a flyer trying to find a Zach Diles? But not to beat a 7th round draft pick into the ground.
I cant speak for the other two, but Booty is (in my opinion) a camp body. He could not beat out Tavaris Jackson for a roster spot. To each his own though, I see where you are coming from.
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My comment wasn't so much aimed at Dan O and I don't think that should be the focus. They have John David Booty a 5th round draft pick. Why boot him for a 7th round QB and start the development over again instead of taking a flyer trying to find a Zach Diles? But not to beat a 7th round draft pick into the ground.
No, you are making good observations but like 65 says Booty has not done anything so we want to start over with someone that might not be a dry well. We focused on OLB a lot and I liked Joe Pawelek from Baylor and on our first mock, I believe we had Angerer. We also discussed Washington but he kept moving up the board and should be a starter for someone. If Booty could not benefit from Kubiac's skills by now, he might not ever. As you know a 7th does keep the team from losing a UDFA to a higher offer. I think we outbid someone on Foster last year. We think the players identified rounds 5 thru 7 offer biggest bang for the buck.
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I cant speak for the other two, but Booty is (in my opinion) a camp body. He could not beat out Tavaris Jackson for a roster spot. To each his own though, I see where you are coming from.
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No, you are making good observations but like 65 says Booty has not done anything so we want to start over with someone that might not be a dry well.
What is Booty supposed to have done? He was on the practice squad and not even eligible to play. Tavaris Jackson was a 2nd round pick with starting experience that many Vikings fans wanted to continue starting. I don't see the significance of that one. I mean you draft Smith and odds are he goes on the practice squad for a year and next year someone is saying he hasn't done anything so let's take another flyer. I just think developmental QBs need to be developed. Like the Colts did hanging onto Jim Sorgi for four years.
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We should all have concerns with our QB position. what happens if Schaub gets hurt? Orlovsky has NFL experience, lets hope Kubiak can straighten him out? last year the Texans carried three QB's good chance they do the same which is reason why you bring in your guy to compete in camp. Both Schaub & Orlovsky stand 6'5" as does Rusty Smith. Booty gets caught in a numbers game once again, like his intelligence but ceiling much lower (player wise, but if he chooses probably an excellent OC someday).

This is also the very reason the Texans need to fortify the running corps-
  • Keep Schaub healthy at all costs
  • improve the running game from near dead last in the NFL
  • balance out the offensive attack
  • change area of weakness into area strength, good draft to do it

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What is Booty supposed to have done? He was on the practice squad and not even eligible to play. Tavaris Jackson was a 2nd round pick with starting experience that many Vikings fans wanted to continue starting. I don't see the significance of that one. I mean you draft Smith and odds are he goes on the practice squad for a year and next year someone is saying he hasn't done anything so let's take another flyer. I just think developmental QBs need to be developed. Like the Colts did hanging onto Jim Sorgi for four years.
Not to be word crafty, but it is what Booty has not done. He is a fan favorite but even on the PS you need to show improvement. He is directly under coaches for advice and does not just carry a clip board at practices. If Kubes agrees with you, then he will not spend a pick on QB and Booty will remain on PS.We really need to have solid 2nd & 3rd QB backups.
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He is a fan favorite but even on the PS you need to show improvement.
Thing is as fans we haven't seen him to know he hasn't or has shown improvement. And I don't know about fan favorite. I have no personal feelings about him at all. I won't be upset if they ditch him in favor of someone else. My point was simply unless there is reason to believe they are unhappy, I'd rather take a flyer on someone who might develop or will at least contribute on special teams.
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Good work guys. Very detailed. Let me just say these are my personal opinions. Nothing against your draft.

I still have an issue with Gerhart in the 2nd. Especially if Mathews was our first pick. Gerhart would be a great 3rd round pick, allowing you to boster the oline, or secondary (both of which I still think need work) in round 2. What is the worst that happens if you miss on Gerhart in the 3rd? You get Hardesty, Tate, or Dixon. Sounds good to me.

And I am not saying that AOA will be a developmental player, but I have a hard time seeing him come in and get a starting CB job for at least a year. I mean, he is a D2 player, has he even been coached legit fundamentals?

But other than that I love the Eearl Thomas pick, and Eric Olsen in the later rounds as well.
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Good work guys. Very detailed. Let me just say these are my personal opinions. Nothing against your draft.

I still have an issue with Gerhart in the 2nd. Especially if Mathews was our first pick. Gerhart would be a great 3rd round pick, allowing you to boster the oline, or secondary (both of which I still think need work) in round 2. What is the worst that happens if you miss on Gerhart in the 3rd? You get Hardesty, Tate, or Dixon. Sounds good to me.

And I am not saying that AOA will be a developmental player, but I have a hard time seeing him come in and get a starting CB job for at least a year. I mean, he is a D2 player, has he even been coached legit fundamentals?

But other than that I love the Eearl Thomas pick, and Eric Olsen in the later rounds as well.
No worries.

Let me clear up a little confusion; If Matthews is the first pick, the draft changes. There is no way I would endorse back to back starting caliber runningbacks with the Texans' needs. Gerhart is not going to be there in the 3rd. In light of his recent work outs, he might not make it out of the 2nd. he has the stats of a first round back, but people get too caught up in numbers.

Hardesty is an injury risk, big time. People want to get rid of OD because he has had 3 knee injuries, Hardesty has had 3 knee surgeries. I'll pass.

Dixon is not the right type of runner for the Texans. He is the stereotypical big, plodding back. Not a good fit.

As for Tate, we just have Gerhart rated higher. Gerhart plays the game harder than Tate does.

As for AOA, we dont see him stepping in as a starter. He will start off as a nickel, and learn as he goes.

Thanks for your input.
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I would be completely on board with this. I much prefer using the first pick on the defense and grabbing a RB in round 2. I think you have done a great job at adressing our needs.

I really hope that Smithiak is continually looking at the CBs that are still available in free agency. I think that no matter where we draft a CB, another guy is still needed back there, even if he is just a career back-up. There are still a number of guys that fit this description out there.
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Gerhart does not run like he is 230 lbs, from a speed standpoint. He ran times comparable to many of the top backs from last year. Equal to Moreno and McCoy, faster than Greene and Coffee (both of whom the Texans reportedly had interest in). Bell was just a value pick there. He was so dominate at his level, he was worth a late round flyer.

None of us are sold on Dan O, which is the explanation for Smith. Kubiak took a chance on Brink a few years ago, and he is not panning out. Smith becomes Kubiak's project.

As far as drafting special teamers, we did pounce that idea around for a while. The guy we targeted though was recently caught with marijuana, and we figured the Texans would not take the risk.
Where did you get a list of guys that failed their drug tests at the combine?
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Where did you get a list of guys that failed their drug tests at the combine?
We do not have that list (I wish we did), it was in an article on the internet.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/...-88723722.html
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